Schoolboy arguments

Ad hominems which totally fail to address the points raised indicate that you have no answers. Which is no surprise at all because far from being "lies" those points are simple, obvious truths whilst yours are, as usual, recycled conspiracy theory.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

In both Russian State news, via multiple members of parliament as well as the published newspaper narrative it has been repeatedly stated and is clear that 'ANY' Ukranians against the Russian invasion are considered Nazis who should be wiped out (to the tune of millions). That is literally what they view it to mean. Even in the above you completely gloss over the fact, as you have done multiple times. You do so because it's either something you don't want to acknowledge or something you don't particularly care about (after all you don't want any Ukranians to be armed to help them defend theselves - you view it is shameful that we've done so).

The whole Nazi angle (and your claim that 'Nazis control Ukraine') is clearly a Russian propoganda angle primarily for a home audience to go for a massive landgrab that has not been as much of a breeze as intended. I've not said you have 'nazi sympathys' in the slightest, just that you are very eager to buy into it now that it allows you to demonise and leave an entire country to their fate, and to justify why that's fine. Where are you commenting on our very own now proscribed National Action (who loved a good MP murder), where are you talking about the inadequates current favourite Patriotic Alternative, who attract many who talk of other racial demographics as animals, and have been conclusively shown to draw in plenty who genuinely hold extreme nazi based views, (and supporter(s) who have since been arrested for plotting terror acts)? Where is your criticism of those, through either naivety or thrill, orbitting this crap? Nowhere. But now suddenly you're fine with Russia cleansing an entire country of anyone who disagrees with their actions under the assumption that it's some kind of 'nazi' wipe out. That is the criticism, that is the reality.

To say that there is no point arming Ukranians because on a numbers game basis you view that they cannot win and may as well surrender countrywide is a bizarre argument. It's akin to the Russian argument that the West is to blame for the war for not simply allowing them the easy victory of wiping out unarmed opposition. Not everyone wants to roll over when their home is invaded. Would you want that? If Ukranians had laid down their arms as Russia made their way to the Capital the country would not exist in its current form as the majority of its citizens presently see it. Where exactly is the bargaining hand there. If you genuinely think that unimpeded Russia would've simply stopped at Donbass, then you've drowning in Alt Media Koolaid. We know that not to be true. They may get their Pyrrhic victory, something to be used to convince the home crowd, but I very much doubt long term that militarily or economically it will be seen as some kind of 'win', which will likely do much more to dissuade repeats in the future, than the do nothing approach.

Enjoy Jubilee weekend. If your check box alt media allegiance tells you you're allowed to that is.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jun 2022 12.22pm)

I don't recall anyone being positive about the fact that neo nazis are in this country or that. It's long since been known to be an issue in the area. In fact multiple well known leaders of well known, violence promoting American neo nazi groups effectively set up shop in Russia years back to avoid scrutinity or arrest at home. W12 is apparently not concerned by that fact and also seemingly takes no view of nazi types in the Russian army either. This whole 'special operation' to cleanse the entire country of nazis is quite transparently propoganda to get the home crowd on side. It in no way aligned with what occured on the ground.

The fact that Ukraine is the country under attack, and the majority of those fighting for them are ordinary Ukranians, not nazis, annuls claims that people have favoured types of nazis. Furthermore, if a country is invaded to the point it fears for its future, we don't do a 'This is Your Life' bio before every fire fight. You take all the help you can and put differences aside. Which is something those often propped up by compassionate societies, while endlessly attacking them and mindlessly demeaning demographics left, right and centre should think on.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jun 2022 1.47pm)

Ok, while the Ukraine has officially drafted the Azov into their armed forces I would like to see evidence of Russia officially incorporating neo Nazi groups into their military.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Nobody claimed that Russia intentionally drafted neo nazis into the army. I doubt they crutinise the politics of all serving. You are more than able to look into neo nazi links in Russian society and military if you want. I'm not sure Ukranian citizens presently getting raped and murdered much care about the politics of those doing it.

That reminds me, I must plant those tomatoes.