I regard the idea that BLM, Antifa and the Democrats aren't joined at the hip at various levels so innocently minded as to be wholly ridiculous.

Anyone who looked at who manages the various campaign teams and their histories in activism can see it plain as day.

You have the ignorant, which is one thing then....then you have other types.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Dec 2020 3.16pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I abhor the very concept of 'hate speech'.....these are ideas and laws that people like you support.

However, if I were to qualify such speech your commentary on Trump certainly looks like a candidate for it.

The level of dehumanisation is wholly ridiculous.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Actually people like Richard Spencer voted for Biden. The far right comprise of a fair few socialist types and they felt tepid towards Trump since around 2017.

The Trump who they backed in 2016 wasn't the Trump presidency they ended up getting.

Civic nationalist groups like the proud boys are more the overtly pro Trump sections.

You don't really understand these groups, they aren't as drone like as you think.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Dec 2020 3.29pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I thought you were emphasising the point

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

I regard the idea that assertions without evidence have any value as worthless. Making assumptions based only on observations and prejudice isn't evidence.

I believe you to be a decent man at heart. Mistaken and misguided but decent. I therefore believe that, like every decent man, you support both the idea that every life matters (including those with black or white skins, the young and the old) and oppose fascism (having written against it in the past).

That being so you will support the sentiment behind the phrase "black lives matter" and the idea of being "anti-fascist". I do, and so does, I believe, every decent person.

That though is a million miles away from supporting organisations or quasi-organisations, who hide behind the phrases to promote their own particular ideologies, often sucking in the genuinely concerned in the process.

The Democrats support the sentiments and not the organisations. They have a tricky job in drawing lines that manage to harness the energy of the genuinely concerned whilst separating them from the exploiters.

So the idea that the Democrats even support "BLM" or "Antifa", let alone that they are "joined at the hip", is nonsense. Where is the evidence? Show us all something in their Articles of Association or Constitutions that proves any kind of official connection or you risk becoming more Trumplike than Trump in throwing around baseless claims.

That the Trump campaign has sought to make these associations as a way to paint the Democrats as "leftists" is just par for their standard modus operandi, which is resonant of their roots. Surely we are all wiser than that?

Perhaps not though.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.