Well ok, much of that is true, however let's not forget that half the country voted leave and perhaps they have concerns that, while you obviously don't share nor agree with them, don't have to be constantly derided like they are some low setter.

You may like how the EU operates but there are a huge number of people in the UK and in the EU itself that don't to varying levels.

You may not encounter anyone like the 'gammon' you find on here and feel sullied by our presence but let's not forget that we all live on this island and that 'Bristol' mindset you seem to have is itself very much a minority......even amongst remainers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Oct 2022 7.51pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

'No one will really understand politics until they understand that politicians are not trying to solve our problems.

They are trying to solve their own problems—of which getting elected and re-elected are No. 1 and No. 2.

Whatever is No. 3 is far behind.'

(Thomas Sowell)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Credit rating agency Moody" has downgraded its economic outlook for the uk from" stable "to "negative", citing policy uncertainty amid high inflation and weak growth- thanks LIZ!

You were blaming them as a group. I don't. There are many responsible people who care deeply about our country and want to serve us in the best way they can. There are, of course, some rogues.

Your analogy doesn't work. Football fans don't employ or train the players. Their involvement is that of a passionate observer of events.

We do bear responsibility, primarily because we complain about what they do, but don't take nearly enough interest in the process which enables them to do it. We aren't engaged enough.

If you bother to reread the many things I have said about Trump you will realise that I have often said I don't actually blame him so much as pity him. He cannot be well. Nobody could think and act as he does and be well. He didn't ask for this personality, or upbringing. The people I blame are those shadowy figures behind him who have manipulated him into power, orchestrated his tactics and used him. Then I blame an education system that ends up with people hero worshiping such a man, and a political system that tolerates one.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Without Football fans no football players, managers, coaches..none of them would be paid.

Without taxpayers no politician would be paid, from the lowest to the hightest.

The analogy is pretty accurate.....unless somehow people think that being paid isn't employing someone, when we know that covers the vast majority of situations.....Without fans no one gets paid period.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Oct 2022 11.54pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

For those who wish to know what some of the DR think about recent economic events here is Gavin Boby (a lawyer on the DR) on what happened and what's likely to come.

Bank of England fires the Prime Minister

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)