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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 13 Aug 24 4.22pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Looking silly to you is a compliment. You are avoiding the simple truth. You are seeing straight past the simple reality. Big clubs can buy and sell top quality players. We can only sell top quality players and fill the gaps with prospects. Sometimes that comes off and sometimes it doesn't. We have sold one top quality player already this season. How many can we sell and replace and not become relegation candidates? To paraphrase Steve Parish. Guehi is a superstar player and generational talent. He is worth superstar money. Unless a club makes a massive bid for him, why on earth should we sell him? He could be the difference between mediocrity and Europe. And what if someone comes in genuinely for Eze or Mateta or Wharton? Shall we improve our bank balance by selling them too? I know that would make you happy and probably send us to the Championship. But hey. We could make up for the 100 million we lose by selling the rest of the squad. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Aug 2024 4.02pm) If you accept Wharton is a superstar player, how were we able to buy him less than 8 months ago? Your whole argument is built on the premise that we can't buy our own top quality players, but Wharton is proof that we can... unless you're suggesting he drastically developed in 16 games?
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Looking silly to you is a compliment.

You are avoiding the simple truth.

You are seeing straight past the simple reality.

Big clubs can buy and sell top quality players.

We can only sell top quality players and fill the gaps with prospects.
Sometimes that comes off and sometimes it doesn't.
We have sold one top quality player already this season.

How many can we sell and replace and not become relegation candidates?

To paraphrase Steve Parish. Guehi is a superstar player and generational talent. He is worth superstar money.

Unless a club makes a massive bid for him, why on earth should we sell him? He could be the difference between mediocrity and Europe.
And what if someone comes in genuinely for Eze or Mateta or Wharton?

Shall we improve our bank balance by selling them too? I know that would make you happy and probably send us to the Championship.
But hey. We could make up for the 100 million we lose by selling the rest of the squad.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Aug 2024 4.02pm)

If you accept Wharton is a superstar player, how were we able to buy him less than 8 months ago?

Your whole argument is built on the premise that we can't buy our own top quality players, but Wharton is proof that we can... unless you're suggesting he drastically developed in 16 games?

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DANGERCLOSE London 13 Aug 24 4.24pm
Parish on Guehi bid: If you want a superstar, pay superstar money My Chairman
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Parish on Guehi bid: If you want a superstar, pay superstar money

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 13 Aug 24 4.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The man signed a contract. He has to honour it. City can sell Alvarez and sign a player equally good. Can we sign a player as good as Guehi? Will the business minds on here only be happy when we are circling the Premier League plug hole once again? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Aug 2024 1.38pm) In reality, he doesn't. He has to go through the motions, turn up to training, play matches, but you can't force someone to apply themselves properly or play to their maximum. Alvarez is a good example - he had another 3 years contract at City, they were desperate to keep him, but he wanted out and they know in reality there is little value in forcing him to stay.
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SE19 13 Aug 24 4.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The man signed a contract. He has to honour it.

City can sell Alvarez and sign a player equally good.

Can we sign a player as good as Guehi?

Will the business minds on here only be happy when we are circling the Premier League plug hole once again?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Aug 2024 1.38pm)

In reality, he doesn't. He has to go through the motions, turn up to training, play matches, but you can't force someone to apply themselves properly or play to their maximum.

Alvarez is a good example - he had another 3 years contract at City, they were desperate to keep him, but he wanted out and they know in reality there is little value in forcing him to stay.

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Putitout Oxford 13 Aug 24 4.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays We just don't have to sell. Quite a nice position to be in. I think Parish, knows what he is doing. If he thinks he will not sell Guehi, just because that’s what poorer clubs do, as some suggest, then fine by me. We are in it to beat the Newcastles, not help them. As for how the sums add up, he knows better than anyone here on that score.
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Oxford 13 Aug 24 4.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We just don't have to sell.

Quite a nice position to be in.

I think Parish, knows what he is doing. If he thinks he will not sell Guehi, just because that’s what poorer clubs do, as some suggest, then fine by me.
We are in it to beat the Newcastles, not help them. As for how the sums add up, he knows better than anyone here on that score.

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Stirlingsays 13 Aug 24 4.30pm
Originally posted by Putitout I think Parish, knows what he is doing. If he thinks he will not sell Guehi, just because that’s what poorer clubs do, as some suggest, then fine by me. We are in it to beat the Newcastles, not help them. As for how the sums add up, he knows better than anyone here on that score. Indeed, what seems obvious by Parish's response is that 55 million with five million via add ons isn't going to cut it. We know that Chelsea will get a fair chunk out of a transfer so with two years left the price will be high. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Aug 24 4.30pm

Originally posted by Putitout

Indeed, what seems obvious by Parish's response is that 55 million with five million via add ons isn't going to cut it.

We know that Chelsea will get a fair chunk out of a transfer so with two years left the price will be high.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 13 Aug 24 4.38pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Looking silly to you is a compliment. You are avoiding the simple truth. You are seeing straight past the simple reality. Big clubs can buy and sell top quality players. We can only sell top quality players and fill the gaps with prospects. Sometimes that comes off and sometimes it doesn't. We have sold one top quality player already this season. How many can we sell and replace and not become relegation candidates? To paraphrase Steve Parish. Guehi is a superstar player and generational talent. He is worth superstar money. Unless a club makes a massive bid for him, why on earth should we sell him? He could be the difference between mediocrity and Europe. And what if someone comes in genuinely for Eze or Mateta or Wharton? Shall we improve our bank balance by selling them too? I know that would make you happy and probably send us to the Championship. But hey. We could make up for the 100 million we lose by selling the rest of the squad. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Aug 2024 4.02pm) 1. No he isn't, he is just upping the value before he is sold 2. Mateta needs giving a new contract immediately, Eze has 3 years left on his contract, so don't sell, unless there is a release clause, Wharton is contracted until 2029, all three of them are key players, Guehi is not. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 13 Aug 24 4.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Looking silly to you is a compliment.

You are avoiding the simple truth.

You are seeing straight past the simple reality.

Big clubs can buy and sell top quality players.

We can only sell top quality players and fill the gaps with prospects.
Sometimes that comes off and sometimes it doesn't.
We have sold one top quality player already this season.

How many can we sell and replace and not become relegation candidates?

To paraphrase Steve Parish. Guehi is a superstar player and generational talent. He is worth superstar money.

Unless a club makes a massive bid for him, why on earth should we sell him? He could be the difference between mediocrity and Europe.
And what if someone comes in genuinely for Eze or Mateta or Wharton?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Aug 2024 4.02pm)

1. No he isn't, he is just upping the value before he is sold
2. Mateta needs giving a new contract immediately, Eze has 3 years left on his contract, so don't sell, unless there is a release clause, Wharton is contracted until 2029, all three of them are key players, Guehi is not.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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PatrickA London 13 Aug 24 4.43pm
And therein lies the problem with release clauses that don't reflect a player's value. The comments that Parish made about Guehi being a generational talent could equally apply to Olise and yet we sold below value because of the release clause. I know the argument is that Olise would not have signed without the clause, and the worry has to be that other players may in future want a similar provision when they observe Parish playing hardball over Guehi - which of course Parish is entitled to do and I'm pleased about his stance. Originally posted by Putitout I think Parish, knows what he is doing. If he thinks he will not sell Guehi, just because that’s what poorer clubs do, as some suggest, then fine by me. We are in it to beat the Newcastles, not help them. As for how the sums add up, he knows better than anyone here on that score.
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PatrickA

London 13 Aug 24 4.43pm

And therein lies the problem with release clauses that don't reflect a player's value.
The comments that Parish made about Guehi being a generational talent could equally apply to Olise and yet we sold below value because of the release clause.
I know the argument is that Olise would not have signed without the clause, and the worry has to be that other players may in future want a similar provision when they observe Parish playing hardball over Guehi - which of course Parish is entitled to do and I'm pleased about his stance.

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Stirlingsays 13 Aug 24 4.48pm
I hope I'm wrong but I doubt Mateta wants a new contract....as will be the case with all our wanted stars. This is the season to strike it hot. If we can replace those stars well and still retain Glasner....then we could see Palace become a genuinely bigger club. We have reason for optimism, though it's all about the players we bring in. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Aug 24 4.48pm

I hope I'm wrong but I doubt Mateta wants a new contract....as will be the case with all our wanted stars.

This is the season to strike it hot.

If we can replace those stars well and still retain Glasner....then we could see Palace become a genuinely bigger club.

We have reason for optimism, though it's all about the players we bring in.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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rikz Croydon 13 Aug 24 4.54pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow If you accept Wharton is a superstar player, how were we able to buy him less than 8 months ago? Your whole argument is built on the premise that we can't buy our own top quality players, but Wharton is proof that we can... unless you're suggesting he drastically developed in 16 games? He was unproven when we bought him. It's like discovering a 20 goal a season striker, for a guaranteed replacement, you're looking at haaland, salah and kane.
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Croydon 13 Aug 24 4.54pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

If you accept Wharton is a superstar player, how were we able to buy him less than 8 months ago?

Your whole argument is built on the premise that we can't buy our own top quality players, but Wharton is proof that we can... unless you're suggesting he drastically developed in 16 games?

He was unproven when we bought him. It's like discovering a 20 goal a season striker, for a guaranteed replacement, you're looking at haaland, salah and kane.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 13 Aug 24 5.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I hope I'm wrong but I doubt Mateta wants a new contract....as will be the case with all our wanted stars. This is the season to strike it hot. If we can replace those stars well and still retain Glasner....then we could see Palace become a genuinely bigger club. We have reason for optimism, though it's all about the players we bring in. I can't imagine Mateta is on massive wages at the moment so a big pay increase may tempt him to sign - he will likely want assurances that we won't stand in his way if a CL club comes calling, but I think we can convince him to sign a new deal and ensure ourselves a decent fee if his form continues. He's probably on half of what the likes of Eze are, so we have more room to negotiate at least.
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SE19 13 Aug 24 5.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I hope I'm wrong but I doubt Mateta wants a new contract....as will be the case with all our wanted stars.

This is the season to strike it hot.

If we can replace those stars well and still retain Glasner....then we could see Palace become a genuinely bigger club.

We have reason for optimism, though it's all about the players we bring in.

I can't imagine Mateta is on massive wages at the moment so a big pay increase may tempt him to sign - he will likely want assurances that we won't stand in his way if a CL club comes calling, but I think we can convince him to sign a new deal and ensure ourselves a decent fee if his form continues.

He's probably on half of what the likes of Eze are, so we have more room to negotiate at least.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 13 Aug 24 5.04pm
Originally posted by rikz He was unproven when we bought him. It's like discovering a 20 goal a season striker, for a guaranteed replacement, you're looking at haaland, salah and kane. Sure, and I'd obviously agree we're not in a position where we can buy established world-class players, but Guehi is not in that bracket either.
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SE19 13 Aug 24 5.04pm

Originally posted by rikz

He was unproven when we bought him. It's like discovering a 20 goal a season striker, for a guaranteed replacement, you're looking at haaland, salah and kane.

Sure, and I'd obviously agree we're not in a position where we can buy established world-class players, but Guehi is not in that bracket either.

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rikz Croydon 13 Aug 24 5.13pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Sure, and I'd obviously agree we're not in a position where we can buy established world-class players, but Guehi is not in that bracket either. I personally think we should cash in, but we're in the driving seat, If Newcastle want him, pay the money, if it's city or Liverpool, I doubt he'd be as committed to us and would be pushing to force a move through. On a free, he could pick his club, with 1 year left on his contract, there will be far more interest in him. We know that, Newcastle know that, so make them pay what we want.
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rikz

Croydon 13 Aug 24 5.13pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Sure, and I'd obviously agree we're not in a position where we can buy established world-class players, but Guehi is not in that bracket either.

I personally think we should cash in, but we're in the driving seat, If Newcastle want him, pay the money, if it's city or Liverpool, I doubt he'd be as committed to us and would be pushing to force a move through. On a free, he could pick his club, with 1 year left on his contract, there will be far more interest in him. We know that, Newcastle know that, so make them pay what we want.

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