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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 23 5.28pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You can have whatever opinion you wish on how countries are made. Not all result from what you describe. However, it just doesn't matter. Counties are. They aren't myths and it's their governments which take the decisions, not the ethnicity of their people. I don't think anybody knew what you were referring to as it makes no sense whatsoever. Judaism is a religion, practised by Jews, some of whom live in Israel alongside many of Arabic origins. The creation of the state of Israel after WW2 is no model for comparison with anywhere else. It is unique. You seem unable, on this and so many other topics, to acknowledge that the world has moved on from the views you hold. Anthropologists reveal new truths, but you, as always, think you know better. Reflect on the fact that you might be wrong. If that's possible. Judaism is a religion that's true, however it is also an ethnicity both racial and cultural. There are clear rules on Jewish heritage. You are in direct contradiction with pretty much everybody Mr Centralist. Israel is hardly unique and that's a non answer. You can't say ethnicities don't exist and then make an exception as that's a pretty strong clue that your reasoning is mistaken. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2023 5.50pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 Jun 23 5.28pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You can have whatever opinion you wish on how countries are made. Not all result from what you describe. However, it just doesn't matter. Counties are. They aren't myths and it's their governments which take the decisions, not the ethnicity of their people.

I don't think anybody knew what you were referring to as it makes no sense whatsoever.

Judaism is a religion, practised by Jews, some of whom live in Israel alongside many of Arabic origins. The creation of the state of Israel after WW2 is no model for comparison with anywhere else. It is unique.

You seem unable, on this and so many other topics, to acknowledge that the world has moved on from the views you hold. Anthropologists reveal new truths, but you, as always, think you know better.

Reflect on the fact that you might be wrong. If that's possible.

Judaism is a religion that's true, however it is also an ethnicity both racial and cultural. There are clear rules on Jewish heritage.

You are in direct contradiction with pretty much everybody Mr Centralist.

Israel is hardly unique and that's a non answer.

You can't say ethnicities don't exist and then make an exception as that's a pretty strong clue that your reasoning is mistaken.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 02 Jun 23 6.04pm
I was working back in the UK in a warehouse before Christmas & would regularly chat with a pakistani lad, he was a bit lost and meandering through life not really knowing what to do with himself & to be honest was happy to just plod along from dead end job to dead end job, I suggested he look at joining the Army & he was actually quite keen on the idea, he went back to his family to tell them what he was thinking of doing.. The next time I spoke to him I asked him how he was getting on and if he had made any progress speaking to an army recruiter & this is what he said, His family had told him in no uncertain terms that if he did this he would be cut off from the family, kicked out of the family home with his parents and sister never speaking to him again, the reason for this is Britain is an enemy of pakistan - the ultimate irony being his family live here. An isolated case? certainly begs the question how many more guests to this island have the same view of the UK. Edited by Ouzo Dan (02 Jun 2023 6.07pm) Edited by Ouzo Dan (02 Jun 2023 6.12pm) The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 02 Jun 23 6.04pm

I was working back in the UK in a warehouse before Christmas & would regularly chat with a pakistani lad, he was a bit lost and meandering through life not really knowing what to do with himself & to be honest was happy to just plod along from dead end job to dead end job, I suggested he look at joining the Army & he was actually quite keen on the idea, he went back to his family to tell them what he was thinking of doing..
The next time I spoke to him I asked him how he was getting on and if he had made any progress speaking to an army recruiter & this is what he said,
His family had told him in no uncertain terms that if he did this he would be cut off from the family, kicked out of the family home with his parents and sister never speaking to him again, the reason for this is Britain is an enemy of pakistan - the ultimate irony being his family live here.

An isolated case? certainly begs the question how many more guests to this island have the same view of the UK.

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Edited by Ouzo Dan (02 Jun 2023 6.12pm)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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georgenorman 02 Jun 23 6.25pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Nor have most of the Cornish. I used to drink with him 20 + years ago. I gave him a joke once. I would tell you, but you don't possess a sense of humour. Did he give you some clotted cream for it? Edited by georgenorman (02 Jun 2023 6.30pm)
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02 Jun 23 6.25pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Nor have most of the Cornish. I used to drink with him 20 + years ago. I gave him a joke once. I would tell you, but you don't possess a sense of humour.

Did he give you some clotted cream for it?

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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 23 7.50pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan I was working back in the UK in a warehouse before Christmas & would regularly chat with a pakistani lad, he was a bit lost and meandering through life not really knowing what to do with himself & to be honest was happy to just plod along from dead end job to dead end job, I suggested he look at joining the Army & he was actually quite keen on the idea, he went back to his family to tell them what he was thinking of doing.. The next time I spoke to him I asked him how he was getting on and if he had made any progress speaking to an army recruiter & this is what he said, His family had told him in no uncertain terms that if he did this he would be cut off from the family, kicked out of the family home with his parents and sister never speaking to him again, the reason for this is Britain is an enemy of pakistan - the ultimate irony being his family live here. An isolated case? certainly begs the question how many more guests to this island have the same view of the UK. Edited by Ouzo Dan (02 Jun 2023 6.07pm) Edited by Ouzo Dan (02 Jun 2023 6.12pm) Back when I was a normie and was teaching a college class a Indian lad I taught told me that he wore two hats, one was an Indian hat with his family where he spoke their language and lived their customs and a British one with his mostly white friends. He didn't identify as English even though he was born here, but he did feel Indian. What you learn is that integration only really works when immigration is small....in that case there is a pressure to confirm to the local culture. However, once a community of people with your ethnicity is there the more you will keep that identity instead.....that's generally what happens. It's universal, you find it with the English in Spain for example. If you want integration you don't do what this country has done....and listen to liars for decades. We were sold down the river by traitors. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2023 8.23pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 Jun 23 7.50pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

An isolated case? certainly begs the question how many more guests to this island have the same view of the UK.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (02 Jun 2023 6.07pm)

Edited by Ouzo Dan (02 Jun 2023 6.12pm)

Back when I was a normie and was teaching a college class a Indian lad I taught told me that he wore two hats, one was an Indian hat with his family where he spoke their language and lived their customs and a British one with his mostly white friends. He didn't identify as English even though he was born here, but he did feel Indian.

What you learn is that integration only really works when immigration is small....in that case there is a pressure to confirm to the local culture. However, once a community of people with your ethnicity is there the more you will keep that identity instead.....that's generally what happens.

It's universal, you find it with the English in Spain for example.

If you want integration you don't do what this country has done....and listen to liars for decades.

We were sold down the river by traitors.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2023 8.23pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 02 Jun 23 8.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If you want integration you don't do what this country has done....and listen to liars for decades. We were sold down the river by traitors. 1970's Britain has as much in common, with us today, as Julius Caesar. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you want integration you don't do what this country has done....and listen to liars for decades.

We were sold down the river by traitors.

1970's Britain has as much in common, with us today, as Julius Caesar.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 23 8.18pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio 1970's Britain has as much in common, with us today, as Julius Caesar. Depends where you are.....I could have said that in the Stockwell estate I grew up on back in the early eighties.....all that's happened is that same imported 'diversity' has been spread much wider. But if you move to places like Cornwall you can still live a nice safe homogeneous culture. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 Jun 23 8.18pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

1970's Britain has as much in common, with us today, as Julius Caesar.

Depends where you are.....I could have said that in the Stockwell estate I grew up on back in the early eighties.....all that's happened is that same imported 'diversity' has been spread much wider.

But if you move to places like Cornwall you can still live a nice safe homogeneous culture.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 23 8.20pm
Those that claim that the English, Irish or British don't exist because 'we have always been immigrants' are just being incredibly disingenuous or ignorant. [Tweet Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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02 Jun 23 8.20pm

Those that claim that the English, Irish or British don't exist because 'we have always been immigrants' are just being incredibly disingenuous or ignorant.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 02 Jun 23 11.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Nor have most of the Cornish. I used to drink with him 20 + years ago. I gave him a joke once. I would tell you, but you don't possess a sense of humour. here we go, friend of the stars Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Nor have most of the Cornish. I used to drink with him 20 + years ago. I gave him a joke once. I would tell you, but you don't possess a sense of humour.

here we go, friend of the stars

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 23 11.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Judaism is a religion that's true, however it is also an ethnicity both racial and cultural. There are clear rules on Jewish heritage. You are in direct contradiction with pretty much everybody Mr Centralist. Israel is hardly unique and that's a non answer. You can't say ethnicities don't exist and then make an exception as that's a pretty strong clue that your reasoning is mistaken. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2023 5.50pm) Whilst these claims have more merit than most you make from all I can see it's hardly a settled matter. Even the Jews themselves have different opinions about it. Some do though regard it as an "ethnic religion". For me, it's an irrelevant distraction. If people seek to define themselves by their religion, that's fine. The Jews are not though a race. Ethnicity and race are separate concepts:- [Link] [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 23 11.59pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Judaism is a religion that's true, however it is also an ethnicity both racial and cultural. There are clear rules on Jewish heritage.

You are in direct contradiction with pretty much everybody Mr Centralist.

Israel is hardly unique and that's a non answer.

You can't say ethnicities don't exist and then make an exception as that's a pretty strong clue that your reasoning is mistaken.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2023 5.50pm)

Whilst these claims have more merit than most you make from all I can see it's hardly a settled matter. Even the Jews themselves have different opinions about it. Some do though regard it as an "ethnic religion".

For me, it's an irrelevant distraction. If people seek to define themselves by their religion, that's fine. The Jews are not though a race. Ethnicity and race are separate concepts:-

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Jun 23 12.06am
Originally posted by HKOwen here we go, friend of the stars Never a friend. Just happened to use a pub that he also frequented, from time to time. I knew someone who drove for him. He was a miserable and taciturn blighter away from his stage persona, and much more interested in his show horses than anything else. He didn't actually live in Cornwall but in Devon. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Jun 23 12.06am

Originally posted by HKOwen

here we go, friend of the stars

Never a friend. Just happened to use a pub that he also frequented, from time to time. I knew someone who drove for him. He was a miserable and taciturn blighter away from his stage persona, and much more interested in his show horses than anything else.

He didn't actually live in Cornwall but in Devon.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Jun 23 12.11am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Depends where you are.....I could have said that in the Stockwell estate I grew up on back in the early eighties.....all that's happened is that same imported 'diversity' has been spread much wider. But if you move to places like Cornwall you can still live a nice safe homogeneous culture. Or to places like the Fens. Plenty of wide open spaces there. If it bothers people so much that they feel they must move then Cornwall doesn't require a visa. Yet.If you find yourself missing deprivation you can always visit Camborne. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Jun 23 12.11am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Depends where you are.....I could have said that in the Stockwell estate I grew up on back in the early eighties.....all that's happened is that same imported 'diversity' has been spread much wider.

But if you move to places like Cornwall you can still live a nice safe homogeneous culture.

Or to places like the Fens. Plenty of wide open spaces there. If it bothers people so much that they feel they must move then Cornwall doesn't require a visa. Yet.If you find yourself missing deprivation you can always visit Camborne.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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