I am back from a largely politics, and a completely Hol, free week, so have only just read the above. The idea that Johnson's removal ought to have been referred to the Tory Party membership staggers me in its arrogance. Who do these people think they are? That nobody else reacted to it, I also find concerning, as though this attitude is acceptable.

The task of any political party's membership must surely be limited to the selection of the candidate who will represent them in each constituency. The electorate then decide who represents them in Parliament. The candidate at that point becomes an MP, and the representative of all the people in the constituency. They are not sent to Parliament as delegates of the Tory, Labour or any other Party. Together they constitute our Parliament, with a Government formed by a group able to command the confidence of the House, whether from one party, or a coalition. The PM leads that Government. The decision of who will be the PM is therefore solely the task of Parliament. Lose the confidence, and someone must be found who has it.

This is why I find it totally offensive that the Tory Party membership will determine who becomes the PM, and not the MPs. No group of activists, outside our sovereign Parliament, should possess such power.

It now seems probable that the Tory MPs, who know the issues and the candidates much better than anyone else, prefer Sunak, but the Tory membership will go for Truss. It's nonsensical and highly offensive to every voter, outside the tiny core of activists.

Whilst neither candidate fills me with any great optimism, the idea of Liz Truss as PM appals me. She is really dim and is trotting out populist sugar when hard realities need to be faced and the people told the truth. We need leadership, not another PM desperate to become leader for their own vanity. Leaving it to the MPs makes it much more likely that we would get what we need, and not just what a tiny bunch of activists want.

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British politics has gone from world renowned to world ridiculed. Well done MPs of all the so called parties. Truly bottom dwellers and eaters of poo.

Red and Blue Army!

Along with many many changes to how society functions if I had the the fantasy option of deciding how party leadership selections worked I'd have a universal system independent of what mainstream party it was.

I would pretty much invert how the selection works. I would have the membership deciding the last two and the MPs selecting from them....as it is the elites essentially decide the limited choices.

I would also give the wider country a say.....On the day of the membership choice I'd allow an online vote, where the country's vote on the candidates had a....say 30 percent affect on the candidates.

Though the voting rules would obviously have to be water tight.

I think that would be far more democratic and balanced than present systems.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jul 2022 2.10pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

That's simply not true because most Tory members would have voted for Kemi Badenoch as she was the only candidate remotely conservative.

Now they have a choice between (1) a member of the World Economic Forum and (2) .....a member of the World Economic Forum.

At least in the next election the public will get the choice to vote for someone who is a member of the Trilateral Commission.

The Tory members are making the final decision. The current system is ridiculous and makes the MPs have to play games to try to make sure the membership aren't able to vote in someone they could not accept at all. It is as bad as the Labour Party being dominated by the Unions and Momentum. As soon as activists are allowed to dominate political parties, they swing to the extremes, which is not where most voters want them to be. The Party that is able to restrain this, and stay in touch with the moderate voter, will win elections.

Being at the WEF is a wholly positive and sensible thing for every politician. Hearing first hand what others in positions of responsibility around the world are thinking about the many problems we face is essential.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (27 Jul 2022 3.10pm)

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If truss sticks to stopping hurty words being part of a solved crime with a knock on the door by mr plod; for the stats then I go with her.
Woke is the enemy of all of us.