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 Teddy Eagle  14 Jun 22 12.09pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That the people don't agree isn't news. That is completely understandable and based on widespread ignorance. It's how the MPs themselves interpret it which matters. If the people want that to change, then they change the MPs. Or they cling onto an outdated view based on one person's view from 250 years ago.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Jun 22 12.22pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Or they cling onto an outdated view based on one person's view from 250 years ago. They do whatever suits them.
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Mapletree  Croydon 14 Jun 22 5.35pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sorry comrade? I think you missed the door leading to global government a few turnings ago. Are you trolling me or something? It doesn't address the issues I raised anyway other than waffle away like a Instagram girl's wishlist. Sending me a lot of waffle about what the 'International community' (international elites) want....meaning that should dictate national policy. Have you heard of something called Brexit? Seems you still have some wax in your ears from 2016. Out of respect I won't say exactly what I think of that text, but let me assure you it wouldn't be out of charm school. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jun 2022 12.48am) What a very strange post No matter I think it has been established that borders are leaky things. It makes sense to work to stop flows by making it unattractive to do the journey. We can always try the old barbed wire on every beach ploy. But also help other countries to be reasonable places to live. We live in a global world, which is of course a tautology.
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| Spiderman Horsham 14 Jun 22 5.44pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
What a very strange post No matter I think it has been established that borders are leaky things. It makes sense to work to stop flows by making it unattractive to do the journey. We can always try the old barbed wire on every beach ploy. But also help other countries to be reasonable places to live. We live in a global world, which is of course a tautology. We could start by placing the barbed wire on the French beaches or the French could actually start wanting to stop these people travelling
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BlueJay  UK 14 Jun 22 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am certainly in favour of PR and for more people to be engaged and believing that their vote counts. It may well arrive after the next GE. It would definitely make more sense for many, and would change voting patterns when it's not essentially a choice between two!
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| BlueJay UK 14 Jun 22 5.47pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
We could start by placing the barbed wire on the French beaches or the French could actually start wanting to stop these people travelling Out of curiousity what do you feel would be their motivation for stopping them. They appear to have crunched the numbers and made their choice!
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| Stirlingsays 14 Jun 22 6.02pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
What a very strange post No matter I think it has been established that borders are leaky things. It makes sense to work to stop flows by making it unattractive to do the journey. We can always try the old barbed wire on every beach ploy. But also help other countries to be reasonable places to live. We live in a global world, which is of course a tautology.
I've said it many times Japan stands out as a first world country that has taken a radically different approach to your ideas. While they have issues they have a better standard of living to us.....most of the arguments used for high immigration into Europe have simply been half truths and agenda driven. Inflation - GDP per capita growth - Unemployment - New dwelling construction starts -
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| Spiderman Horsham 14 Jun 22 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Out of curiousity what do you feel would be their motivation for stopping them. They appear to have crunched the numbers and made their choice! They have, for years, allowed camps to develop. They could have processed asylum applications but chose not to.
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| BlueJay UK 14 Jun 22 6.31pm |
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There's no such thing as a free lunch. "With a median age of 48.4 years, Japan's population is the oldest in the world. In stores across the country, adult diapers now outsell baby diapers by 2.5 times. It’s also a shrinking country, with its population of 127 million expected to contract by over a quarter by 2065." There are immense pressures on the young which will become much worse. Perhaps automation will help, but it does seem likely that immigration will increase significantly over the coming decades. To what extent is clearly an unknown, though it doesn't pay to lean on idealised emotion led comfort blankets of afar due to concerns about our own identity. Most here don't think we 'need' more immigration anyway, it's simply the government with their hand on those lever. That is the issue.
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| BlueJay UK 14 Jun 22 6.39pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
That's exactly what I mean really, that don't want to solve the problem and would rather it be someone elses. I always saw being an Island nation as a plus, but in the current climate its certainly easier to nudge people on to another connected country or off in a boat never be to seen again. We've become a 'final destination ' (so to speak) so are coming up with rather creative and out of the box solutions. No easy answers of course.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Jun 22 6.39pm |
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Why not offer everyone relocation to Rwanda? Someone might find it tempting. Then set up a gofundme page. Job done. Edited by ASCPFC (14 Jun 2022 6.39pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 14 Jun 22 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
That's exactly what I mean really, that don't want to solve the problem and would rather it be someone elses. I always saw being an Island nation as a plus, but in the current climate its certainly easier to nudge people on to another connected country or off in a boat never be to seen again. We've become a 'final destination ' (so to speak) so are coming up with rather creative and out of the box solutions. No easy answers of course. On the contrary asylum seekers sent to Rwanda previously were re-trafficked back to the UK and EU. And the UK will now be taking Rwanda's asylum seekers deemed 'vulnerable' while at the same time declaring Rwanda a safe destination.
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