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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Nov 21 8.10pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

This explanation is still inexplicably passing off racism as banter.

It's also complete conjecture as to whether it was taken as 'banter' at the time or just taken without complaint after constant repetition. This is exactly how bullying works – first few times the victim tries to push back and gets abused or worse, eventually gives up and just accepts it to fit in and not cause any complaint. Further, I can quite easily understand why someone whose livelihood depends on a harmonious team dynamic would not necessarily raise a complaint immediately. People aren't all confident extroverts like, as weird as it is to write, you might appear to be. And even if it was taken as banter, it's still racist, agenda or not.

I'm also not taking any of this at face value, you appear to have skipped the part of my response where I clearly question his character as that is being reported but unsurprisingly not very widely. He may well be adding fuel to the fire for extra effect but ultimately have all the accusations of racism been denied? Has anyone seriously implicated mustered legal defence? Multiple defamation suits incoming? No and no.

Also bizarrely from someone who hates identity politics so much you're grouping together and negatively labelling all pakistanis as unworthy of employment based on one individual. I mean, really. I think you're a bit muddled.

Come off it. There are comedies currently on TV where stereotypes and nationality related jokes are used as banter and no one cares.
This is about what is accepted among friends. Neither you nor I have the right to tell others what to think or be offended by.

The issue here is whether this guy was genuinely offended at the time, or whether he became retrospectively offended when it suited him. I have seen no evidence to prove that either way.
In any case, this is small potatoes and is only headlines because it is Yorkshire Cricket Club, and we live in the year of woke. The media can't get enough of it, and politicians love a good opportunity to look right on.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Nov 21 8.43pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


Stump mics had better be closely monitored. Sledging isn’t meant to be complimentary.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Nov 21 8.56pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Stump mics had better be closely monitored. Sledging isn’t meant to be complimentary.

Will the word Pom now be banned?

In the wider world, what about Limey? Paleface? Honkey? Round eye?

What about Baldy, fatty, shorty, lanky, ginger, man, woman, big nose?

I feel some retrospective offence coming on. I'm getting quite upset about what a school mate called me in 1975.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Nov 21 10.30pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Will the word Pom now be banned?

In the wider world, what about Limey? Paleface? Honkey? Round eye?

What about Baldy, fatty, shorty, lanky, ginger, man, woman, big nose?

I feel some retrospective offence coming on. I'm getting quite upset about what a school mate called me in 1975.

If you got called all those names throughout your schooling no wonder you turned out as you did.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 17 Nov 21 10.48pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

If you got called all those names throughout your schooling no wonder you turned out as you did.

Hrolf's complaints at being impacted by schoolyard insults really shook up some of his schoolmates. In fact to this day they are still reluctant to employ or work with white people as result of it.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Nov 2021 11.07pm)

 

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DanH Flag SW2 17 Nov 21 10.53pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Stump mics had better be closely monitored. Sledging isn’t meant to be complimentary.

Again, call someone a p*ki on the field and it’s still not OK.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Nov 21 11.07pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

They will make fun of Hrolf's point because he's white.

If he wasn't you wouldn't hear a pin drop.

 


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DanH Flag SW2 17 Nov 21 11.27pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

They will make fun of Hrolf's point because he's white.

If he wasn't you wouldn't hear a pin drop.

You really just don’t get it to you? Has being called a Pom or any of the words he’s used ever systemically held you back in your life? This isn’t really about the words or language necessarily. It’s about attitudes and power. Calling someone a p*ki or a curry muncher is about putting someone in their place and making the recipient aware of where they fit in in the pecking order.

You yourself have had one horrible racially motivated incident and it’s scarred you for life. Why are you so belittling of others that have faced it day in day out?

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Nov 21 11.30pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Again, call someone a p*ki on the field and it’s still not OK.

But Pommie ******* is fine.
Who knows what causes offence? Why should that upset someone more than being mocked for their physical appearance?

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 17 Nov 21 11.46pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Come off it. There are comedies currently on TV where stereotypes and nationality related jokes are used as banter and no one cares.
This is about what is accepted among friends. Neither you nor I have the right to tell others what to think or be offended by.

The issue here is whether this guy was genuinely offended at the time, or whether he became retrospectively offended when it suited him. I have seen no evidence to prove that either way.
In any case, this is small potatoes and is only headlines because it is Yorkshire Cricket Club, and we live in the year of woke. The media can't get enough of it, and politicians love a good opportunity to look right on.

Yet again, you're mixing 'banta' stereotypes and nationality based jokes (fine) in with racist terms (not fine) and saying they're all fair game and effectively the same level. Really?

Muddled.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (17 Nov 2021 11.47pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 17 Nov 21 11.49pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But Pommie ******* is fine.
Who knows what causes offence? Why should that upset someone more than being mocked for their physical appearance?

Jesus the level of ignorance on this thread is astounding

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Nov 21 12.05am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Jesus the level of ignorance on this thread is astounding

One in four people with body dysmorphia disorder have attempted suicide; having some aspect of your appearance mocked in public isn’t going to help sportspeople who might suffer from it.
The question was who knows what causes offence and to what degree.

 

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