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Ali_Campbell New Addington 18 May 21 6.54pm | |
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Originally posted by MKGlazier
Plenty of people slagging Lampard off, but very easily to conveniently forget that in his 1st season at Chelsea he unexpectedly got them qualified for the Champions League (which is why they are in the Final now), without spending a single penny!! When he left chelsea, they were 9th. They spent 200+m in the summer and couldn’t get a tune out of the players. Tuchel has made them in title contenders next season, something they were not under Frank. For me, the size of our club and our aspirations. Has to be Sean Dyche. Slightly bigger budget than Burnley and can keep us in the league.
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Elphers40 Sunny South Coast 18 May 21 7.23pm | |
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Dyche for us at this point in time is a perfect match imo. I believe that if given the opportunity with better players he would play better football. Not only that without him Burnley would be more likely to go down - so 1 less relegation spot to worry about! valid point by MK around Lampard’s first season at Chelsea under an embargo - zero spend and really put faith in youth (albeit very talented) gaining top 4 and also Derby record is better than I had previously thought. Either have merit and I’m just (respectfully) pleased we’re all going to move on from the negative division amongst us around the deterioration in our style of play and the need for change vs the stability of what we had become used to.
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PatrickA London 18 May 21 7.50pm | |
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Sky reporting that apponting Dyche is not the direction that we are taking.
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Casual Orpington 18 May 21 8.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Elphers40
Dyche for us at this point in time is a perfect match imo. I believe that if given the opportunity with better players he would play better football. Not only that without him Burnley would be more likely to go down - so 1 less relegation spot to worry about! valid point by MK around Lampard’s first season at Chelsea under an embargo - zero spend and really put faith in youth (albeit very talented) gaining top 4 and also Derby record is better than I had previously thought. Either have merit and I’m just (respectfully) pleased we’re all going to move on from the negative division amongst us around the deterioration in our style of play and the need for change vs the stability of what we had become used to. I think he had a right result in his first season at Chelsea, transfer ban, so couldn’t be judged on bad signings, when he had mount, Abraham, James, pulisic , Hudson odoi and Gilmore all coming through at the same time.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 18 May 21 8.43pm | |
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you have to take the betting odds with a pinch of salt, read between the lines etc, but Lampard has gone out from 1/3 to 5/4 - which means not a single penny is going on him, Steve Cooper has just come in from 8-1 to 2-1, again no money for him, but the odds have been lowered in anticipation, so it seems he is on the short list at least. I don't think there'll be an announcement till the season is over, and that means after the play offs. You can see Parish is trying to establishing a model based on developing and selling on youth, rather than fire fighting, so someone with those credentials, i.e. improving young players, will be favoured.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 18 May 21 8.52pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
you have to take the betting odds with a pinch of salt, read between the lines etc, but Lampard has gone out from 1/3 to 5/4 - which means not a single penny is going on him, Steve Cooper has just come in from 8-1 to 2-1, again no money for him, but the odds have been lowered in anticipation, so it seems he is on the short list at least. I don't think there'll be an announcement till the season is over, and that means after the play offs. You can see Parish is trying to establishing a model based on developing and selling on youth, rather than fire fighting, so someone with those credentials, i.e. improving young players, will be favoured. that is the only way forward for our club, no more ridiculous salary's, its a new world now, and i am pleased the club is putting youth first, Cooper or Lampard are the only ones to fit in with parish's plans
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TheBigToePunt 18 May 21 9.30pm | |
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I think Lampard is a better candidate than some are giving him credit for. He is young and recently finished a long and hugely successful playing career, so he will be in touch with today's players and will have seen many modern methods from a player perspective as well as a coaching one. He seems very serious about being a good manager, and has already had two very different experiences to learn from. He did well at Derby. Used the loan system well, developed young players and got results. If he was coming to us straight from Derby we'd probably be happy enough. I don't think he did badly at Chelsea at all. He revitalised the place after Sarri had bored them all to death, and introduced a lot of youth players. OK, he had no choice due to the transfer ban, but he had enough senior players there to not need to risk so much youth, and most of the young players did well under him and developed. He struggled a bit this year but Chelsea were hardly miles away from the top four, and he was trying to integrate far too many new players at once, many of whom were playing in England for the first time. Plus Chelsea sack everyone after five minutes anyway, it's hardly a black mark against the man's name.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 18 May 21 9.55pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
you have to take the betting odds with a pinch of salt, read between the lines etc, but Lampard has gone out from 1/3 to 5/4 - which means not a single penny is going on him, Steve Cooper has just come in from 8-1 to 2-1, again no money for him, but the odds have been lowered in anticipation, so it seems he is on the short list at least. I don't think there'll be an announcement till the season is over, and that means after the play offs. You can see Parish is trying to establishing a model based on developing and selling on youth, rather than fire fighting, so someone with those credentials, i.e. improving young players, will be favoured.
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deleted9 18 May 21 10.00pm | |
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I’m intrigued by Lampard although feel a sense of apprehension at the same time. It could strengthen the case to sign Gallagher and Gilmore on loan- talk about creativity! A previous poster talked about Frank being relatable to the players and respected for his playing days which is good point. He’ll bring a buzz to the club and a sense of excitement. I understand Jodie Morris comes as part of his coaching team and I’ve heard many times that he’s widely regarded as a top class coach. Ultimately, we can’t afford big signings and need to see fruit from our Academy so whoever mentions this as being a priority in their interview will get the job.
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deleted9 18 May 21 10.01pm | |
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Mstrobez 18 May 21 10.01pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
I think Lampard is a better candidate than some are giving him credit for. He is young and recently finished a long and hugely successful playing career, so he will be in touch with today's players and will have seen many modern methods from a player perspective as well as a coaching one. He seems very serious about being a good manager, and has already had two very different experiences to learn from. He did well at Derby. Used the loan system well, developed young players and got results. If he was coming to us straight from Derby we'd probably be happy enough. I don't think he did badly at Chelsea at all. He revitalised the place after Sarri had bored them all to death, and introduced a lot of youth players. OK, he had no choice due to the transfer ban, but he had enough senior players there to not need to risk so much youth, and most of the young players did well under him and developed. He struggled a bit this year but Chelsea were hardly miles away from the top four, and he was trying to integrate far too many new players at once, many of whom were playing in England for the first time. Plus Chelsea sack everyone after five minutes anyway, it's hardly a black mark against the man's name. I have to say I’d be happier with Frank than Eddie Howe or Dyche, undoubtedly. But it’s a risk and you have to question why we’d be so keen to take it, considering how big of a world we live in and how many managers we could attract as an established Premier League club. Rafa Benitez is another one who’d be attractive. But I think people will be disappointed if they’re expecting a revolution from Roy Hodgson. Generally, they’re quite similar managers who cut their cloth accordingly. This really comes down to how much money we actually have to invest this summer. If it’s similar to recent years, then you do have to question what someone like Frank will bring to the party. There’s often the mention of integrating the youth - but doing that to a large degree, in the Premier League, is easier said than done. Roy actually gave 3 academy players their PL debut during his time and I’m not sure there is another manager in the same period who brought through more.
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Elphers40 Sunny South Coast 18 May 21 10.06pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
I think Lampard is a better candidate than some are giving him credit for. He is young and recently finished a long and hugely successful playing career, so he will be in touch with today's players and will have seen many modern methods from a player perspective as well as a coaching one. He seems very serious about being a good manager, and has already had two very different experiences to learn from. He did well at Derby. Used the loan system well, developed young players and got results. If he was coming to us straight from Derby we'd probably be happy enough. I don't think he did badly at Chelsea at all. He revitalised the place after Sarri had bored them all to death, and introduced a lot of youth players. OK, he had no choice due to the transfer ban, but he had enough senior players there to not need to risk so much youth, and most of the young players did well under him and developed. He struggled a bit this year but Chelsea were hardly miles away from the top four, and he was trying to integrate far too many new players at once, many of whom were playing in England for the first time. Plus Chelsea sack everyone after five minutes anyway, it's hardly a black mark against the man's name. All valid points BTP and if we go down the Lampard route it will require a fully committed board. The more I think about it the more I like it! At least theres no danger of doing a fantastic half job and leaving us in the lurch if Chelsea come a calling - although you never really know these days!
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