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Matov 04 May 20 1.29pm | |
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"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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cryrst The garden of England 04 May 20 7.56pm | |
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Only if he can ostracize momentum. Get his core centre left base back on side. Far left will drag him in the same direction as corbyn went. Down.
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Mapletree Croydon 04 May 20 11.24pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Only if he can ostracize momentum. Get his core centre left base back on side. Far left will drag him in the same direction as corbyn went. Down. Or mobilise it with a more realistic vision. Personally I think you are probably correct, not many of them would wish to forego their principles by doing anything with the slightest chance of success.
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cryrst The garden of England 05 May 20 5.09am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Or mobilise it with a more realistic vision. Personally I think you are probably correct, not many of them would wish to forego their principles by doing anything with the slightest chance of success. In a way principles is what it's all about but only if a majority have the same ones where politics are involved.
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DanH SW2 06 May 20 10.29pm | |
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Today’s PMQs showing that Boris is really going to struggle up against Keir in this format. Being up against a QC who can forensically take him apart each week means he won’t be able to get away with his usual bluster.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 06 May 20 10.41pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Today’s PMQs showing that Boris is really going to struggle up against Keir in this format. Being up against a QC who can forensically take him apart each week means he won’t be able to get away with his usual bluster. That’s one take on it. It’s not particularly mine. I like Starmer though and think he comes across 100 times better than Corbyn, but then that’s not difficult.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 06 May 20 10.44pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Today’s PMQs showing that Boris is really going to struggle up against Keir in this format. Being up against a QC who can forensically take him apart each week means he won’t be able to get away with his usual bluster. Yeah, i agree, Boris is a likeable chap but is no match for Starmer, loved it when Bojo was flouncing about the figures Starmer was quoting, only for Starmer to hold up a piece of paper and say, they"re from your chart last night, Bojo had nowhere to hide!
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the.universal 06 May 20 11.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
That’s one take on it. It’s not particularly mine. I like Starmer though and think he comes across 100 times better than Corbyn, but then that’s not difficult. What was your take then Tom? From my perspective BoJo get totally kebabbed by Starmer.
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DanH SW2 07 May 20 8.17am | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
That’s one take on it. It’s not particularly mine. I like Starmer though and think he comes across 100 times better than Corbyn, but then that’s not difficult. Boris was essentially cross examined. A key cross examining technique is to only ask questions that you already know the answer to. This allows the person being questioned to try and talk their way around it before you can then prove that they are either lying, telling half truths, trying to avoid answering the actual question or obfuscating before giving the answer anyway. It’s extremely effective - you get the answer to the question as well as showing the other person up as not being honest. Not that anyone has ever seemed to care about BJ not being honest in the past though...
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Matov 07 May 20 8.58am | |
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PMQ's are up there with Question Time in terms of being meaningless frivolity. A version of boxing for nerds with each side trying to claim victories that mean nothing in the wider electoral context where it truly matters. How or what Starmer is and represents will not be apparent until at least the Labour conference and maybe even beyond. I would guess that this current Covid-19 crisis offers him both a blessing and a curse. And so far no polling shows any kind of significant bounce. To be fair to him, he is showing at least some political nous in that there are no points to be scored, as things stand, for constant slagging off. The public mood is more about national unity rather than the usual slings and arrows. Many of the Corbynites seem to struggle with that but such is life. However, as it becomes more and more apparent what a complete stab in the back the entire Peoples Vote campaign was given that it condemned Labour, and therefore Corbyn, to defeat in December 2019 then those little Corbies aint going to just sit back. We do not live in normal times. And until Starmer has been through a year of the usual s***, he cannot be judged.
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Teddy Eagle 07 May 20 9.01am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
PMQ's are up there with Question Time in terms of being meaningless frivolity. A version of boxing for nerds with each side trying to claim victories that mean nothing in the wider electoral context where it truly matters. How or what Starmer is and represents will not be apparent until at least the Labour conference and maybe even beyond. I would guess that this current Covid-19 crisis offers him both a blessing and a curse. And so far no polling shows any kind of significant bounce. To be fair to him, he is showing at least some political nous in that there are no points to be scored, as things stand, for constant slagging off. The public mood is more about national unity rather than the usual slings and arrows. Many of the Corbynites seem to struggle with that but such is life. However, as it becomes more and more apparent what a complete stab in the back the entire Peoples Vote campaign was given that it condemned Labour, and therefore Corbyn, to defeat in December 2019 then those little Corbies aint going to just sit back. We do not live in normal times. And until Starmer has been through a year of the usual s***, he cannot be judged. One of the best posts I’ve seen for a long time.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 07 May 20 12.39pm | |
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Starmer's shadow Health secretary is good, Jon Ashworth, but he had his 'health and social care' shadow on C4 last night , Liz Kendall - I thought it wud be revealing that someone given that responsibility at this time must be someone Starmer either rates really highly or trusts completely - she was very disappointing though, just parroting the party line and answering specific questions with meaningless generalizations - disappointing, thought she might be one of those engaging bright sparks, she was more like a New Labour robot - all compliance and f*ck all else, I suppose you need a few of those but she was clearly under orders and it showed, too much of that cud well turn voters off - too much control and propaganda, other posters pointed out some bizarre looking Starmer appointments, though I thought those posters were too selective with their evidence, this is the first thing I'd call a negative re Starmer's leadership.
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