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Stirlingsays 20 Feb 19 3.34pm | |
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Originally posted by rob1969
Your first question is answered yourself in your last line. As to your second question. Edited by rob1969 (20 Feb 2019 2.57pm) ? You're going to go with the rise of the Nazi party? That's a bit 0 to 60 isn't it? How is the rise of the Nazis connected to the 'thin edge of the wedge'? To be fair, I don't think it relates. Their rise had many many causes. I could see the sense of civil partnerships.....but it was a slippery slope to marriage.....I'm not really seeing how it excluded straight people to be honest....I think all that was just a bit pedantic.....No one was required to get married in a Church. Anyway as I'm not a fan of gay marriage....should I have argued against the introduction of civil partnerships because of the slippery slope reality? Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2019 3.35pm)
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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 20 Feb 19 7.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
? You're going to go with the rise of the Nazi party? That's a bit 0 to 60 isn't it? How is the rise of the Nazis connected to the 'thin edge of the wedge'? To be fair, I don't think it relates. Their rise had many many causes. I could see the sense of civil partnerships.....but it was a slippery slope to marriage.....I'm not really seeing how it excluded straight people to be honest....I think all that was just a bit pedantic.....No one was required to get married in a Church. Anyway as I'm not a fan of gay marriage....should I have argued against the introduction of civil partnerships because of the slippery slope reality? Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2019 3.35pm) Was thinking more of the Nazi use of anti-sematism started in small way but increaed bit by bit and look where it ended. Civil partnership was designed to give gay (by definition single) people similar rights - mainly financial - as those of married couples.
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Stirlingsays 20 Feb 19 9.32pm | |
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Originally posted by rob1969
Was thinking more of the Nazi use of anti-sematism started in small way but increaed bit by bit and look where it ended. I see now.....yeah, while anti semitism was far more out there back then I see what you mean. Mind you we know that Hitler and co hid the extermination camps from public knowledge....and destroyed much documentation...but those who cared to know probably did find out. Though I feel few of us would seriously support going from stripping citizenship to death for what's been reported......that's not normal western culture.....though once she put herself willingly in a war zone death is the chance she took. Originally posted by rob1969
Civil partnership was designed to give gay (by definition single) people similar rights - mainly financial - as those of married couples. Fair enough, good points. Makes you wonder why the government bothered to fight it.....probably cost. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2019 9.39pm)
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cpfc_chap koh samui 20 Feb 19 10.48pm | |
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Maybe the only option would be to reunite her with her husband in Holland! Mind you can't see many countries offering to take her in!
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jeeagles 20 Feb 19 10.59pm | |
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Originally posted by rob1969
I have no sympathy at all with this stupid woman but believe this decision is wrong. Removing citizenship from someone born abroad to foreign parents and only a naturalised UK citizen is possible justified in certain circumstances. Removing it from someone born and brought up in UK ( such as most on Hols) because one parent may have , or could, claim foreign citizenship is basically wrong. Have you an Irish, Polish, Italian parent or grand parent? ‘Thin end of a wedge’ comes to mind. In this case she should be allowed to return to the UK if she wants - at her/ families expense - and then be arrested on arrival for questioning and charged with whatever criminal offence /s she found to have committed. Wouldn't say it's the thin end of the wedge. It's happened to one person who has a dual nationality, has left the country to join IS, it's got international media attention, the decision was esculated to the home Secretary, and is likely to get challenged by the courts. It's certainly not a decision that's been taken lightly. I'd argue that thin end of the wedge issue that impact society are more likely to be things that creep in undetected, such as minor antisocial behaviour, bigotry, and crime that goes unchecked then gets worse and worse. Or other little bits of intollerance, like saying everyone with an opposing point of view is a Nazi or Communist which trivilises them.
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Spiderman Horsham 20 Feb 19 11.08pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
As she is not an ISIS fighter, but British, she cannot return to the land of milk and honey. But 400 British ISIS fighters have already done so. Check your dustbins carefully...... Anything to do with May, the Home Office and the new stooge Javid is spectacularly ridiculous.
Where did you get these figures from? or have you personally counted them all back in?
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Spiderman Horsham 20 Feb 19 11.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
That is a highly salient point She went to Syria to reproduce and generate the next generation of Jihadi fighters. She has succeeded So the poor little blighter is probably going to be indoctrinated at birth to be simply cannon fodder. I suspect Syrian social services will probably not bother taking the little chap away from his mother. Or did she become pregnant, after 4 years, to use the child as a reason to be allowed back to the UK, knowing the child would be British.
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Midlands Eagle 21 Feb 19 8.19am | |
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****BREAKING NEWS**** Isis bride decides to stay in Syria after being offered a 3 bedroom council house in Croydon....
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steeleye20 Croydon 21 Feb 19 8.44am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Where did you get these figures from? or have you personally counted them all back in? They are all living next door I counted them in personally.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Feb 19 9.17am | |
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Wants to come ‘home.’ The ‘home’ she hates and doesn’t consider home, or would like it more like Saudi. Wants to come back for government support more like and the values she despises. This is what makes me sway to the side of locking her out, obviously the no remorse is a huge factor.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Feb 19 9.19am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
They all queue at Lunar House in Croydon before being housed and supported for free. I counted them in personally. EFA
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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 21 Feb 19 9.23am | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
This country has become more tolerant of anti social behaviour Wouldn't say it's the thin end of the wedge. It's happened to one person who has a dual nationality, has left the country to join IS, it's got international media attention, the decision was esculated to the home Secretary, and is likely to get challenged by the courts. It's certainly not a decision that's been taken lightly. I'd argue that thin end of the wedge issue that impact society are more likely to be things that creep in undetected, such as minor antisocial behaviour, bigotry, and crime that goes unchecked then gets worse and worse. Or other little bits of intollerance, like saying everyone with an opposing point of view is a Nazi or Communist which trivilises them.
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