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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Feb 19 3.34pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by rob1969

Your first question is answered yourself in your last line.
(Think Germany 1920-30’s)

As to your second question.
My only issue with civil partnership was that it excluded the majority in the sane way as marriage excluded a minority.

Edited by rob1969 (20 Feb 2019 2.57pm)

? You're going to go with the rise of the Nazi party?

That's a bit 0 to 60 isn't it?

How is the rise of the Nazis connected to the 'thin edge of the wedge'? To be fair, I don't think it relates. Their rise had many many causes.

I could see the sense of civil partnerships.....but it was a slippery slope to marriage.....I'm not really seeing how it excluded straight people to be honest....I think all that was just a bit pedantic.....No one was required to get married in a Church.

Anyway as I'm not a fan of gay marriage....should I have argued against the introduction of civil partnerships because of the slippery slope reality?

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2019 3.35pm)

 


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rob1969 Flag Banstead Surrey 20 Feb 19 7.50pm Send a Private Message to rob1969 Add rob1969 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

? You're going to go with the rise of the Nazi party?

That's a bit 0 to 60 isn't it?

How is the rise of the Nazis connected to the 'thin edge of the wedge'? To be fair, I don't think it relates. Their rise had many many causes.

I could see the sense of civil partnerships.....but it was a slippery slope to marriage.....I'm not really seeing how it excluded straight people to be honest....I think all that was just a bit pedantic.....No one was required to get married in a Church.

Anyway as I'm not a fan of gay marriage....should I have argued against the introduction of civil partnerships because of the slippery slope reality?

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2019 3.35pm)

Was thinking more of the Nazi use of anti-sematism started in small way but increaed bit by bit and look where it ended.

Civil partnership was designed to give gay (by definition single) people similar rights - mainly financial - as those of married couples.
Many heterosexual couples living together, possible with children, who may not have wished to go as far as marriage, would have also benefited from a civil partnership - but it was not available to them.
Gay marriage - but no heterosexual civil partnership
seems to be giving preferable treatment to one group over the other. Not equality.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Feb 19 9.32pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by rob1969

Was thinking more of the Nazi use of anti-sematism started in small way but increaed bit by bit and look where it ended.

I see now.....yeah, while anti semitism was far more out there back then I see what you mean. Mind you we know that Hitler and co hid the extermination camps from public knowledge....and destroyed much documentation...but those who cared to know probably did find out.

Though I feel few of us would seriously support going from stripping citizenship to death for what's been reported......that's not normal western culture.....though once she put herself willingly in a war zone death is the chance she took.

Originally posted by rob1969

Civil partnership was designed to give gay (by definition single) people similar rights - mainly financial - as those of married couples.
Many heterosexual couples living together, possible with children, who may not have wished to go as far as marriage, would have also benefited from a civil partnership - but it was not available to them.
Gay marriage - but no heterosexual civil partnership
seems to be giving preferable treatment to one group over the other. Not equality.

Fair enough, good points.

Makes you wonder why the government bothered to fight it.....probably cost.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2019 9.39pm)

 


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cpfc_chap Flag koh samui 20 Feb 19 10.48pm Send a Private Message to cpfc_chap Add cpfc_chap as a friend

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Maybe the only option would be to reunite her with her husband in Holland!

Mind you can't see many countries offering to take her in!

 

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jeeagles Flag 20 Feb 19 10.59pm

Originally posted by rob1969

I have no sympathy at all with this stupid woman but believe this decision is wrong.

Removing citizenship from someone born abroad to foreign parents and only a naturalised UK citizen is possible justified in certain circumstances. Removing it from someone born and brought up in UK ( such as most on Hols) because one parent may have , or could, claim foreign citizenship is basically wrong. Have you an Irish, Polish, Italian parent or grand parent? ‘Thin end of a wedge’ comes to mind.

In this case she should be allowed to return to the UK if she wants - at her/ families expense - and then be arrested on arrival for questioning and charged with whatever criminal offence /s she found to have committed.


Wouldn't say it's the thin end of the wedge. It's happened to one person who has a dual nationality, has left the country to join IS, it's got international media attention, the decision was esculated to the home Secretary, and is likely to get challenged by the courts. It's certainly not a decision that's been taken lightly.

I'd argue that thin end of the wedge issue that impact society are more likely to be things that creep in undetected, such as minor antisocial behaviour, bigotry, and crime that goes unchecked then gets worse and worse. Or other little bits of intollerance, like saying everyone with an opposing point of view is a Nazi or Communist which trivilises them.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 20 Feb 19 11.08pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

As she is not an ISIS fighter, but British, she cannot return to the land of milk and honey.

But 400 British ISIS fighters have already done so.

Check your dustbins carefully......

Anything to do with May, the Home Office and the new stooge Javid is spectacularly ridiculous.

Where did you get these figures from? or have you personally counted them all back in?

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 20 Feb 19 11.12pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

That is a highly salient point

She went to Syria to reproduce and generate the next generation of Jihadi fighters. She has succeeded

So the poor little blighter is probably going to be indoctrinated at birth to be simply cannon fodder.

I suspect Syrian social services will probably not bother taking the little chap away from his mother.

Or did she become pregnant, after 4 years, to use the child as a reason to be allowed back to the UK, knowing the child would be British.
Had we renounced citizenship at the time of her departure, the child would not be British. It would have a claim to Dutch nationality but hopefully the EU will be dead and buried before it is old enough to travel.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Feb 19 8.19am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

****BREAKING NEWS****

Isis bride decides to stay in Syria after being offered a 3 bedroom council house in Croydon....

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 21 Feb 19 8.44am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Where did you get these figures from? or have you personally counted them all back in?

They are all living next door I counted them in personally.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Feb 19 9.17am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Wants to come ‘home.’ The ‘home’ she hates and doesn’t consider home, or would like it more like Saudi.

Wants to come back for government support more like and the values she despises. This is what makes me sway to the side of locking her out, obviously the no remorse is a huge factor.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Feb 19 9.19am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

They all queue at Lunar House in Croydon before being housed and supported for free. I counted them in personally.

EFA

 


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rob1969 Flag Banstead Surrey 21 Feb 19 9.23am Send a Private Message to rob1969 Add rob1969 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles


Fair comment. Certainly fully agree with your second para.

This country has become more tolerant of anti social behaviour
whilst becoming less tolerant of un PC truths and alternative views.

Wouldn't say it's the thin end of the wedge. It's happened to one person who has a dual nationality, has left the country to join IS, it's got international media attention, the decision was esculated to the home Secretary, and is likely to get challenged by the courts. It's certainly not a decision that's been taken lightly.

I'd argue that thin end of the wedge issue that impact society are more likely to be things that creep in undetected, such as minor antisocial behaviour, bigotry, and crime that goes unchecked then gets worse and worse. Or other little bits of intollerance, like saying everyone with an opposing point of view is a Nazi or Communist which trivilises them.

 

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