Your comments.

Society is not capitalist or socialist but a mix.

The NHS welfare free education so many social advances were brought by labour but we have never been in the slightest least marxist it has remained a property owning enterprise society throughout.

When you write that people are dead because of socialism you may be describing some defunct banana republic but not us.

It is a dead argument western countries moved on many years ago.

Why don't you do the same.

An economy is either capitalist or socialist - we are capitalist. The Tories had almost identical proposals for a NHS and National Insurance system in their 1945 manifesto. State funded education was introduced in the 19th century by successive Liberal and Tory governments.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

The NHS is neither capitalist nor socialist, it is a public service like the fire service, the police, the armed forces, refuse collection etc. As mentioned before, the Tories would have created n NHS had they won the 1945 Election.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Thing is i agree with lots of labours logic. However, I can't face voting for them as:

A) only reason tories have to make cuts all the time is because labour spend more than they have. To me this says their way doesn't work

and

B) to counter that, they want to raise corporation tax. In general and especially in wake of Brexit, this risks driving businesses out. Less businesses means less tax and leads to point a all over again

I think ideologically all of us would want free education, top quality healthcare and a more equal society but I just can't see that labour can offer that in practice. They've tried before and fail miserably nearly every time

Yes pleeaassse!