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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Jul 16 3.36pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

If my partner was dying I wouldn't dream of picking up a phone, starting a Facebook app and then live streaming.

Victim-blaming negates anything you may have said afterwards. It's always wrong.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Jul 16 3.37pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by nairb75

guy shot today helping his job helping an autistic patient. hands were up.

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Should we read anything into the fact that the cop shot the black guy - who was lying on the ground with his hands raised - not the white guy who was sitting up holding an unknown object? Nah!

 


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7mins Flag In the bush 21 Jul 16 3.48pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Victim-blaming negates anything you may have said afterwards. It's always wrong.

Can you show me where I blamed the victim?
I'm just saying what (I think) I would do. Many have said her reaction was strange.
Or are you using it to bail out of the discussion?

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Jul 16 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by 7mins

Can you show me where I blamed the victim?
I'm just saying what (I think) I would do. Many have said her reaction was strange.
Or are you using it to bail out of the discussion?


Show you where? In the original post, or where you just did it again in this one?

 


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nairb75 Flag Baltimore 21 Jul 16 4.11pm Send a Private Message to nairb75 Add nairb75 as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Should we read anything into the fact that the cop shot the black guy - who was lying on the ground with his hands raised - not the white guy who was sitting up holding an unknown object? Nah!

what's really sad is it was supposed to be a suicide threat. why are they drawing a gun on someone who is supposedly suicidal?

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 21 Jul 16 4.18pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Show you where? In the original post, or where you just did it again in this one?

Er, she wasn't the victim.

It's the dead bloke btw.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Jul 16 4.23pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by nairb75

what's really sad is it was supposed to be a suicide threat. why are they drawing a gun on someone who is supposedly suicidal?

To be fair, the cops were responding to a report of a man with a gun, so it's not unreasonable that they have their guard (and guns) up.

What happened thereafter is ridiculous, in need of a proper investigation and - if justified - sanctions against the cop.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Jul 16 4.25pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

Er, she wasn't the victim.

It's the dead bloke btw.


No? She (and her child) had just watched her boyfriend get shot by police during a routine traffic stop. 7mins then proceeded to diminish her suffering by calling into question her behaviour in the immediate aftermath.

That's victim blaming, and it's never appropriate.

 


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7mins Flag In the bush 21 Jul 16 4.39pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Show you where? In the original post, or where you just did it again in this one?

Do you really consider that victim blaming? I mean come on... Saying she reacted differently to how I think I would react... That isn't victim blaming is it? Come on buddy... Play fair. Stop looking for things that don't exist.

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 21 Jul 16 4.41pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


No? She (and her child) had just watched her boyfriend get shot by police during a routine traffic stop. 7mins then proceeded to diminish her suffering by calling into question her behaviour in the immediate aftermath.

That's victim blaming, and it's never appropriate.

I said I think I would act differently. The rest was inferred by you. Stop being a precious silly sausage

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 21 Jul 16 4.43pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


No? She (and her child) had just watched her boyfriend get shot by police during a routine traffic stop. 7mins then proceeded to diminish her suffering by calling into question her behaviour in the immediate aftermath.

That's victim blaming, and it's never appropriate.

Her behaviour afterwards was, and is, weird. I said the same on the day.

And she's still not the victim, so stop saying it's "victim blaming". As if questioning anything about the incident is off limits just because she was the girlfriend of the victim.

That and blaming the victim are two extremely different things. It's just a crap phrase to chuck in and nothing more.

Edited by Stuk (21 Jul 2016 4.43pm)

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Jul 16 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

Her behaviour afterwards was, and is, weird. I said the same on the day.

And she's still not the victim, so stop saying it's "victim blaming". As if questioning anything about the incident is off limits just because she was the girlfriend of the victim.

That and blaming the victim are two extremely different things. It's just a crap phrase to chuck in and nothing more.


She was not the one killed, but that doesn't mean she's not a victim here, having been witness to the horrific death of a loved one. Claiming, distanced from the event in both time and space, that she should have been doing something other than filming acts to devalue the messenger, and thus the message.

Still, given what has been going on around these police shootings in recent times - where independent video has been the victims' only voice, too many times showing a stark contrast between what happened and what the police said happened - filming the event was clearly the appropriate reaction to her. In that context, live-streaming it also makes sense given that police have often acted to confiscate and suppress such independent video footage.

 


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