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 Teddy Eagle  02 Dec 20 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Between us maybe. But someone has made a judgement that we all must follow, just as they do in almost every aspect of life. That's why we have laws and elected representatives to determine what they need to be. They are the someones. I wonder if you would be quite so sanguine about this if it had been Trump trying to bring it in.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 20 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If that becomes the law his statement is correct. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2020 4.44pm) Re-read the article. It isn't. Stirring up hatred or incitement would be the crime. Not the opinions held. It would be the effect and not the content. It seeks to remove location as a defence should hate or incitement occur. Say it alone, or to close friends and family, you would be OK. Say it to a group of 50 in your back garden and encourage them to react to your words and cause harm and you wouldn't.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 20 5.40pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I wonder if you would be quite so sanguine about this if it had been Trump trying to bring it in. I find that so improbable as to not actually be credible, but if he ever did propose something sensible I hope I would treat it at face value. Much more likely he would have abolished it by executive order in the first weeks of his term.
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| Teddy Eagle 02 Dec 20 5.48pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Re-read the article. It isn't. Stirring up hatred or incitement would be the crime. Not the opinions held. It would be the effect and not the content. It seeks to remove location as a defence should hate or incitement occur. Say it alone, or to close friends and family, you would be OK. Say it to a group of 50 in your back garden and encourage them to react to your words and cause harm and you wouldn't. It says you “might” have 10 or 15 or 50 people round not that prosecution depends on their presence.
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| Teddy Eagle 02 Dec 20 5.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I find that so improbable as to not actually be credible, but if he ever did propose something sensible I hope I would treat it at face value. Much more likely he would have abolished it by executive order in the first weeks of his term. So you’re in favour of this law?
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| Stirlingsays 02 Dec 20 7.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Re-read the article. It isn't. Stirring up hatred or incitement would be the crime. Not the opinions held. It would be the effect and not the content. It seeks to remove location as a defence should hate or incitement occur. Say it alone, or to close friends and family, you would be OK. Say it to a group of 50 in your back garden and encourage them to react to your words and cause harm and you wouldn't. One nation conservative eh. Yeah, I can really see McMillan or even Heath supporting that crap. An Englishman's home is his castle......The Soviets proposed hate speech laws at the UN after the war....the western allies rejected it. If only they could see people like you now.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 20 7.15pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So you’re in favour of this law? It isn't a law. It's a suggestion. I am unsure whether it's really needed, but I can see the argument.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 20 7.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
One nation conservative eh. Yeah, I can really see McMillan or even Heath supporting that crap. An Englishman's home is his castle......The Soviets proposed hate speech laws at the UN after the war....the western allies rejected it. If only they could see people like you now. Just like me they might regard it as a step too far but like me, and unlike you, they would understand the argument for it, even if they disagreed with it. I am quite sure that Harald Macmillan and Ted Heath had a great deal more in common with me than with you.
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| Teddy Eagle 02 Dec 20 7.19pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It isn't a law. It's a suggestion. I am unsure whether it's really needed, but I can see the argument. It’s a Bill to amend existing Hate Crime laws. So would be law if introduced.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Dec 20 7.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just like me they might regard it as a step too far but like me, and unlike you, they would understand the argument for it, even if they disagreed with it. I am quite sure that Harald Macmillan and Ted Heath had a great deal more in common with me than with you. I wouldn't be so sure on Macmillan, you can't even get his first name right.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 20 9.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I wouldn't be so sure on Macmillan, you can't even get his first name right. Pots and kettles come to mind. You initially called him McMillan. There are TWO mistakes there!
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| Teddy Eagle 02 Dec 20 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Pots and kettles come to mind. You initially called him McMillan. There are TWO mistakes there! As his name was Maurice this doesn’t get us very far.
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