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Mapletree Croydon 24 Jun 16 10.48pm
Originally posted by chris123 Seems a little incongruous to me to attack the outers if you didn't actually vote - and everything I've read suggests that the turnout was quite high. Eh? That was my daughter and, to her disgust, she wasn't allowed to vote.
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Croydon 24 Jun 16 10.48pm

Originally posted by chris123

Seems a little incongruous to me to attack the outers if you didn't actually vote - and everything I've read suggests that the turnout was quite high.

Eh? That was my daughter and, to her disgust, she wasn't allowed to vote.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Jun 16 10.49pm
Originally posted by chris123 Seems a little incongruous to me to attack the outers if you didn't actually vote - and everything I've read suggests that the turnout was quite high. 72% I believe. A lot higher than EU Elections I bet!! Can anyone (seriously & without googling) name his or her Euro MEP????? Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Jun 16 10.49pm

Originally posted by chris123

Seems a little incongruous to me to attack the outers if you didn't actually vote - and everything I've read suggests that the turnout was quite high.

72% I believe. A lot higher than EU Elections I bet!! Can anyone (seriously & without googling) name his or her Euro MEP?????

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Mapletree Croydon 24 Jun 16 10.54pm
Originally posted by becky Why do people seem to assume that the minute you retire you turn into some sort of dribbling geriatric with no idea what's going on? After 46 years of continuous working life - most of it spent in the financial services sector - I resent this implication that I am not capable of making any sort of informed choice, other than which dinner to have delivered by meals on wheels. I would certainly maintain that I have a better grasp of international and home economics than any 16 year old who has never had pay their own way in real life or to manage more than their pocket money! And when they actually contribute financially to this country then they too can have a say and not before! You don't want the old making decision that affect your children's future? Well, I certainly don't want anyone's children making decisions on mine. Yours Granny Grunt! First of all, given you are responding to my daughter, despite being 17 and coming from Croydon she doesn't yet have children. Second, she doesn't say old people shouldn't vote, she says they turned up to vote more than younger people as they had more spare time. Or maybe just weren't at Glastonbury. Funnily enough she has done some home economics but frankly you take your life in your hands if you eat her fairy cakes. I seriously doubt you have a better grasp of international economics than the three of my children put together. And that is the point, we all discuss the major issues and share our views. And by the way, she is f*cked. Thanks to all those people who did not fully understand the scale of the change they were about to engender and won't have to live with the change in the employment opportunities this is going to drive. And by the way, if my children are lucky enough to get a job they won't just work for 46 years. They have to pay for your pension, that will take a lot of doing. And, finally, I would rather my children made decisions on the future of the world than anyone else I know. I can guide them but in the end they will make decisions about their - and my - life. As they keep reminding me, it is they that decide which home to send me to. Edited by Mapletree (24 Jun 2016 10.57pm)
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Croydon 24 Jun 16 10.54pm

Originally posted by becky

Why do people seem to assume that the minute you retire you turn into some sort of dribbling geriatric with no idea what's going on?

After 46 years of continuous working life - most of it spent in the financial services sector - I resent this implication that I am not capable of making any sort of informed choice, other than which dinner to have delivered by meals on wheels.

I would certainly maintain that I have a better grasp of international and home economics than any 16 year old who has never had pay their own way in real life or to manage more than their pocket money! And when they actually contribute financially to this country then they too can have a say and not before!

You don't want the old making decision that affect your children's future? Well, I certainly don't want anyone's children making decisions on mine.

Yours

Granny Grunt!

First of all, given you are responding to my daughter, despite being 17 and coming from Croydon she doesn't yet have children.

Second, she doesn't say old people shouldn't vote, she says they turned up to vote more than younger people as they had more spare time. Or maybe just weren't at Glastonbury.

Funnily enough she has done some home economics but frankly you take your life in your hands if you eat her fairy cakes.

I seriously doubt you have a better grasp of international economics than the three of my children put together. And that is the point, we all discuss the major issues and share our views.

And by the way, she is f*cked. Thanks to all those people who did not fully understand the scale of the change they were about to engender and won't have to live with the change in the employment opportunities this is going to drive.

And by the way, if my children are lucky enough to get a job they won't just work for 46 years. They have to pay for your pension, that will take a lot of doing.

And, finally, I would rather my children made decisions on the future of the world than anyone else I know. I can guide them but in the end they will make decisions about their - and my - life. As they keep reminding me, it is they that decide which home to send me to.

Edited by Mapletree (24 Jun 2016 10.57pm)

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Jun 16 11.00pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Not bothered about the EU, the politics are largely a side show. It's inward investment and ability to trade that's the big issue. Dublin already going like a train, becoming hard to hire people there. Now watch Edinburgh as soon as the Scots enter the EU. I work for Yanks, we are already moving operations to Ireland. That will accelerate very quickly. The damage will be irrecoverable in next to no time. Kerms, I think you may need to move back home. Croydon? Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Jun 16 11.00pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not bothered about the EU, the politics are largely a side show. It's inward investment and ability to trade that's the big issue. Dublin already going like a train, becoming hard to hire people there. Now watch Edinburgh as soon as the Scots enter the EU.

I work for Yanks, we are already moving operations to Ireland. That will accelerate very quickly. The damage will be irrecoverable in next to no time.

Kerms, I think you may need to move back home.

Croydon?

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Eggy Sutton 24 Jun 16 11.21pm
Originally posted by Mapletree First of all, given you are responding to my daughter, despite being 17 and coming from Croydon she doesn't yet have children. Second, she doesn't say old people shouldn't vote, she says they turned up to vote more than younger people as they had more spare time. Or maybe just weren't at Glastonbury. Funnily enough she has done some home economics but frankly you take your life in your hands if you eat her fairy cakes. I seriously doubt you have a better grasp of international economics than the three of my children put together. And that is the point, we all discuss the major issues and share our views. And by the way, she is fcked. Thanks to all those people who did not fully understand the scale of the change they were about to engender and won't have to live with the change in the employment opportunities this is going to drive. And by the way, if my children are lucky enough to get a job they won't just work for 46 years. They have to pay for your pension, that will take a lot of doing.* And, finally, I would rather my children made decisions on the future of the world than anyone else I know. I can guide them but in the end they will make decisions about their - and my - life. As they keep reminding me, it is they that decide which home to send me to. Edited by Mapletree (24 Jun 2016 10.57pm) This - not a good day for our children who will have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of this decision.
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Sutton 24 Jun 16 11.21pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

First of all, given you are responding to my daughter, despite being 17 and coming from Croydon she doesn't yet have children.

Second, she doesn't say old people shouldn't vote, she says they turned up to vote more than younger people as they had more spare time. Or maybe just weren't at Glastonbury.

Funnily enough she has done some home economics but frankly you take your life in your hands if you eat her fairy cakes.

I seriously doubt you have a better grasp of international economics than the three of my children put together. And that is the point, we all discuss the major issues and share our views.

And by the way, if my children are lucky enough to get a job they won't just work for 46 years. They have to pay for your pension, that will take a lot of doing.

Edited by Mapletree (24 Jun 2016 10.57pm)

This - not a good day for our children who will have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of this decision.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 11.25pm
Originally posted by beagle He was conspicuous by his absence in the debate and seemed happy to let the blue on blue Tory feuding take the headlines. To my mind he is a guilty as Cameron in playing politics with this referendum and did fcuk-all except give the odd limp sound bite. Corbyn toured major cities and towns, it's called reaching out to ordinary voters or grassroots activism. It was reported in local media not national. For a reason I expect, they didn't want him to have a high profile so they could then claim he did nothing. I think the likes of Murdoch et al are s* scared of Corbyn because he actually is electable and does resonate with people, that's why they constantly attack him. Again and again looking for any excuse or making excuses up to attack him. When you look at Corbyns policies, renationalisation of railways, energy and water, money for building from the BOE rather than the BOE using quantitive easing for banks is in line with a lot of what people want. He is railing against austerity which is a political agenda to take from the public and siphon it to the haves. Corbyn believes in investment to stimulate growth not cutting back and cutting back. But instead, the media say he's scruffy, a lefty trot engaging in student politics, he wears flip flops, he'll take the UK back to the dark ages; they repeat that he's unelectable over and over again. Repeat the same thing over and over and people start to believe it. They buy into the false narrative that the nedia have created. This is evidenced if you ask anyone on here or read their posts as to why they don't like Corbyn or don't think he is electable, it's not about policies, instead they say exactly what is repeated in the mainstream media, he's scruffy etc etc. In actual fact, Labour have done alright in the elections they've taken part in so far: Tooting by election, which was expected to swing to tory because of changing voter/constituency demographics in fact saw a 7% swing to Labour (still a failyre), Sadiq Khan blew Tristram Hunt out of the water in the mayoral election (Labour are still failing). Doom was forecast in the local elections with labour losing hundreds of seats becaue Corbyn was bad for labour, as it was they only lost a few from a high watermark anyway, but still even though labour performed a lot better than the naysayers it was still reported as a failure. I saw a poll on the referendum (I don't know the amount surveyed,) but it showed Labour had a higher percentage of voters that voted for remain than both the tories and snp. But that's not reported because it will make him look good or even electable. Yet he is was attacked for being ineffectual. Nothing was really said about the ineffectuality of the other parties. I say keep him on as Labour leader - f* the Blairite progress wing of the party who are the bitter remains of New Labour, they are just trying to cling to what little power they have in the party so cosy up to the press for their own gains - look at the resignation 'incident ' on the daily politics which the BBC orchestrated five minutes before PMQ's a few weeks ago. Look at the coverage of John Mann having a pop at Ken Livingstone. Corbyn hasn't failed because he hasn't yet stood in a GE. However because there may be one soon due to Dave (humble speech focussed on not innefectuality) they want Corbyn gone because he could win and upset the land of milk and honey. Yes he does need to focus on some areas more, but I'm sure he and his team know that. We all know that whoever is in charge of Labour will have the same spin and lies and bulls* aimed at them. Don't fall for the such and such would be much better bollocks. Milliband ate a bacon sandwich and for 1 fraction of a second a photo caught him looking a bit funny. Cameron f*ed a dead pig. Which got more coverage? Edited by nickgusset (25 Jun 2016 12.00am)
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Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 11.25pm

Originally posted by beagle

He was conspicuous by his absence in the debate and seemed happy to let the blue on blue Tory feuding take the headlines. To my mind he is a guilty as Cameron in playing politics with this referendum and did fcuk-all except give the odd limp sound bite.

Corbyn toured major cities and towns, it's called reaching out to ordinary voters or grassroots activism. It was reported in local media not national. For a reason I expect, they didn't want him to have a high profile so they could then claim he did nothing.

I think the likes of Murdoch et al are s*** scared of Corbyn because he actually is electable and does resonate with people, that's why they constantly attack him. Again and again looking for any excuse or making excuses up to attack him.

When you look at Corbyns policies, renationalisation of railways, energy and water, money for building from the BOE rather than the BOE using quantitive easing for banks is in line with a lot of what people want. He is railing against austerity which is a political agenda to take from the public and siphon it to the haves. Corbyn believes in investment to stimulate growth not cutting back and cutting back.

But instead, the media say he's scruffy, a lefty trot engaging in student politics, he wears flip flops, he'll take the UK back to the dark ages; they repeat that he's unelectable over and over again. Repeat the same thing over and over and people start to believe it. They buy into the false narrative that the nedia have created.

This is evidenced if you ask anyone on here or read their posts as to why they don't like Corbyn or don't think he is electable, it's not about policies, instead they say exactly what is repeated in the mainstream media, he's scruffy etc etc.

In actual fact, Labour have done alright in the elections they've taken part in so far: Tooting by election, which was expected to swing to tory because of changing voter/constituency demographics in fact saw a 7% swing to Labour (still a failyre), Sadiq Khan blew Tristram Hunt out of the water in the mayoral election (Labour are still failing). Doom was forecast in the local elections with labour losing hundreds of seats becaue Corbyn was bad for labour, as it was they only lost a few from a high watermark anyway, but still even though labour performed a lot better than the naysayers it was still reported as a failure.

I saw a poll on the referendum (I don't know the amount surveyed,) but it showed Labour had a higher percentage of voters that voted for remain than both the tories and snp. But that's not reported because it will make him look good or even electable. Yet he is was attacked for being ineffectual. Nothing was really said about the ineffectuality of the other parties.

I say keep him on as Labour leader - f*** the Blairite progress wing of the party who are the bitter remains of New Labour, they are just trying to cling to what little power they have in the party so cosy up to the press for their own gains - look at the resignation 'incident ' on the daily politics which the BBC orchestrated five minutes before PMQ's a few weeks ago. Look at the coverage of John Mann having a pop at Ken Livingstone.

Corbyn hasn't failed because he hasn't yet stood in a GE. However because there may be one soon due to Dave (humble speech focussed on not innefectuality) they want Corbyn gone because he could win and upset the land of milk and honey. Yes he does need to focus on some areas more, but I'm sure he and his team know that.

We all know that whoever is in charge of Labour will have the same spin and lies and bulls*** aimed at them. Don't fall for the such and such would be much better bollocks. Milliband ate a bacon sandwich and for 1 fraction of a second a photo caught him looking a bit funny. Cameron f***ed a dead pig. Which got more coverage?

Edited by nickgusset (25 Jun 2016 12.00am)

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 24 Jun 16 11.27pm
Originally posted by Eggy This - not a good day for our children who will have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of this decision. Like you I was on the losing side. However this is all just a little melodramatic We have two choices we can sulk strop and make the forecasts of doom a self fulfilling prophecy or, suck it up embrace change and make the best of it. I know what I am going to do, I owe it to my kids the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 24 Jun 16 11.27pm

Originally posted by Eggy

This - not a good day for our children who will have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of this decision.

Like you I was on the losing side. However this is all just a little melodramatic

We have two choices we can sulk strop and make the forecasts of doom a self fulfilling prophecy or, suck it up embrace change and make the best of it.

I know what I am going to do, I owe it to my kids

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 11.27pm
Originally posted by Jimenez 72% I believe. A lot higher than EU Elections I bet!! Can anyone (seriously & without googling) name his or her Euro MEP????? Who is your euro MP?
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Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 11.27pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

72% I believe. A lot higher than EU Elections I bet!! Can anyone (seriously & without googling) name his or her Euro MEP?????

Who is your euro MP?

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Jun 16 11.36pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Who is your euro MP? If he or she was to walk past me in the street I wouldn't know!! Who's yours? Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 24 Jun 16 11.36pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Who is your euro MP?

If he or she was to walk past me in the street I wouldn't know!! Who's yours?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 24 Jun 16 11.39pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Who is your euro MP? Pointless worrying about that now. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 24 Jun 16 11.39pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Who is your euro MP?

Pointless worrying about that now.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 11.49pm
Originally posted by Jimenez If he or she was to walk past me in the street I wouldn't know!! Who's yours? I didn't know New Yoikans had euro MEP's that's my point! My MEP was kicked out of UKIP for fiddling expenses if I remember rightly She joined a group of MEP's headed by le Pen! Twas in the news shopper a few months ago if I recall. Janice someone, can't remember her surname though.
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Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 11.49pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

If he or she was to walk past me in the street I wouldn't know!! Who's yours?

I didn't know New Yoikans had euro MEP's that's my point!

My MEP was kicked out of UKIP for fiddling expenses if I remember rightly She joined a group of MEP's headed by le Pen! Twas in the news shopper a few months ago if I recall. Janice someone, can't remember her surname though.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 11.57pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Do you know anything? You carry on fretting Maple. And I will enjoy my 25 or 30 odd years that I might have left knowing that I paid for privilege and hoping that I never have to spend any of that time any where near someone like you. You actually replied to Mapletree's daughter there. Did you realise. She is too young to vote so is powerless to do anything about our decision.
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Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 11.57pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Do you know anything?

You carry on fretting Maple. And I will enjoy my 25 or 30 odd years that I might have left knowing that I paid for privilege and hoping that I never have to spend any of that time any where near someone like you.

You actually replied to Mapletree's daughter there. Did you realise. She is too young to vote so is powerless to do anything about our decision.

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