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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 Oct 16 6.28pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Do agree I just read of the increase of 250,000 in child poverty under Cameron in 1 year I don't think the tories have any humanity.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Oct 16 8.47pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Shouldn't those proposals be what we as a nation aspire to. You may want to shrug your shoulders and say 'well that's life. Live with it' but I'm prepared to fight and campaign for what I believe in.

Edited by nickgusset (04 Oct 2016 5.57pm)

You can aspire to what you like but don't be so dumb as to think that it will happen.
As a government, you have to live in the real world.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Oct 16 8.56pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Some of the playground bollox on this thread demeans its posters, but this is wisdom. Wanting a more equal society and wanting to improve the lot of the average citizen seem utterly sensible tenets to me.


We have a more equal society than at any time in the past.
The fact that 1% of the population are super rich is not the problem. In fact wealth drags all people upward.
Some people are more interested in being jealous of those who have more than them than seeing the reality.
Yes it's appalling that some people live in poverty in 21st Century Britain but if it was easy to fix then any government would fix it immediately. The meaning of poverty has changed. Now it means that you can't afford a flat screen TV. 100 years ago it meant you shared a room with 10 other people and had nothing decent to eat half the week.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Oct 2016 8.57pm)

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 04 Oct 16 8.59pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Do agree I just read of the increase of 250,000 in child poverty under Cameron in 1 year I don't think the tories have any humanity.

Read this

[Link]

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 04 Oct 16 9.57pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


We have a more equal society than at any time in the past.
The fact that 1% of the population are super rich is not the problem. In fact wealth drags all people upward.
Some people are more interested in being jealous of those who have more than them than seeing the reality.
Yes it's appalling that some people live in poverty in 21st Century Britain but if it was easy to fix then any government would fix it immediately. The meaning of poverty has changed. Now it means that you can't afford a flat screen TV. 100 years ago it meant you shared a room with 10 other people and had nothing decent to eat half the week.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Oct 2016 8.57pm)

I do tend to agree with this,I would like to see what constitutes poverty in 2016.
Now I'm not saying there's not thousands of kids who are not in some forms of poverty.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 04 Oct 16 10.27pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

I do tend to agree with this,I would like to see what constitutes poverty in 2016.
Now I'm not saying there's not thousands of kids who are not in some forms of poverty.

This is from what I linked above


Interpretation Child Low Income & Material Deprivation – respondents are asked whether they have access to a list of 21 goods and services. If they can’t afford a given item, this is scored in the material deprivation measure, with items more commonly owned in the population given a higher weighted score. A child is considered to be in low income and material deprivation if they live in a family that has a total score of 25 or more out of 100 and an equivalised household income BHC below 70% of median. More details are available in the HBAI Quality and Methodology Information Report.

Main Findings The percentage of children in relative low income BHC increased by 2 percentage points to 19% (not statistically significant) in 2014/15. The percentages of children in absolute low income and in combined low income and material deprivation, however, remained unchanged at 17% and 13% respectively. This is most likely due to families with children benefiting less from increases in full-time work than childless families, as well as the 1% uprating of some benefits.

Children are at higher risk of living in both relative and absolute low income than the overall UK population. This result holds over the past 20 years and is true on both a Before and After Housing Costs basis.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Oct 16 11.22pm

Originally posted by chris123

This is from what I linked above


Interpretation Child Low Income & Material Deprivation – respondents are asked whether they have access to a list of 21 goods and services. If they can’t afford a given item, this is scored in the material deprivation measure, with items more commonly owned in the population given a higher weighted score. A child is considered to be in low income and material deprivation if they live in a family that has a total score of 25 or more out of 100 and an equivalised household income BHC below 70% of median. More details are available in the HBAI Quality and Methodology Information Report.

Main Findings The percentage of children in relative low income BHC increased by 2 percentage points to 19% (not statistically significant) in 2014/15. The percentages of children in absolute low income and in combined low income and material deprivation, however, remained unchanged at 17% and 13% respectively. This is most likely due to families with children benefiting less from increases in full-time work than childless families, as well as the 1% uprating of some benefits.

Children are at higher risk of living in both relative and absolute low income than the overall UK population. This result holds over the past 20 years and is true on both a Before and After Housing Costs basis.

This is from the independent based on HM Revenue and Customs figures
[Link]

 

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.TUX. Flag 05 Oct 16 6.09am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

An interesting interpretation of the facts. And yet most people wouldn't trust Labour with a piggy bank.

It's all Tory spin I suppose. I lived through the seventies mate and your sort want to take us back there but without the laughs.

Aaah, the 70's. The end of the Bretton Wood system, banks running riot (ring any bells?), oil prices through the roof, the FTSE/Dow Jones losing half their value...............and Slade.

Apart from Slade you're right, it was all Labours fault

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 05 Oct 16 6.47am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

This is from the independent based on HM Revenue and Customs figures
[Link]

But low income is a statistical point and doesn't equal poverty. If you increased every ones income by 50% you'd still have the same proportion on low incomes.

 

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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 05 Oct 16 8.40am Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


We have a more equal society than at any time in the past.
The fact that 1% of the population are super rich is not the problem. In fact wealth drags all people upward.
Some people are more interested in being jealous of those who have more than them than seeing the reality.
Yes it's appalling that some people live in poverty in 21st Century Britain but if it was easy to fix then any government would fix it immediately. The meaning of poverty has changed. Now it means that you can't afford a flat screen TV. 100 years ago it meant you shared a room with 10 other people and had nothing decent to eat half the week.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Oct 2016 8.57pm)

Ha, seriously?! Wealth drags all people upward sounds like 'trickle down economics' which has been super successful right? I feel so much better knowing that 1% are so much richer, and apparently dragging me up with them. Thanks, the 1%!

I take your point that poverty in 2016 is very different from poverty in 1916 or 1816. But anyone who thinks that there is not real poverty in this country (someone who cannot get enough to eat, regularly, and faces hard choices about whether to turn on the heating or pay the rent in the winter) is delusional. It isn't just 'don't have a plasma screen TV' "poverty".

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 05 Oct 16 8.48am Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Ha, seriously?! Wealth drags all people upward sounds like 'trickle down economics' which has been super successful right? I feel so much better knowing that 1% are so much richer, and apparently dragging me up with them. Thanks, the 1%!

I take your point that poverty in 2016 is very different from poverty in 1916 or 1816. But anyone who thinks that there is not real poverty in this country (someone who cannot get enough to eat, regularly, and faces hard choices about whether to turn on the heating or pay the rent in the winter) is delusional. It isn't just 'don't have a plasma screen TV' "poverty".

Hrolf is correct. The poor get richer when the wealthy get richer. It's simple economics.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 05 Oct 16 8.59am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Hrolf is correct. The poor get richer when the wealthy get richer. It's simple economics.

Not according to this

Trickle-down economics is the greatest broken promise of our lifetime

[Link]

Many other articles I could have chosen from...

 

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