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imbored Flag UK 18 Apr 15 1.47pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Apr 2015 1.34pm

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 1.11pm

I'm sure that's what you think you do, but that's half the problem. But then it's impossible for anyone to 'completely' get away from simplifying others positions.


I can't really help people's perception of me.

The 'lefty', 'righty' thing isn't that big a deal. People can just post rebuttals or refinements to the description or perceived generalisation.....Pretty much, how I just did.

Debate, being the point I suppose.

The more ideologically driven someone is the more they fall into the trap of simplifying people and the political landscape. It just seems like a bad starting point.

Jamie doesn't come in for quite so much criticism as the rest of us because he's fair, self aware, not waving a finger at anyone, and generally has really fleshed out ideas about the world.

As for debate, almost everyone is constantly looking to reaffirm their own ideas, rather than change their mind about anything. Which in and of itself suggests that on some level we all know we hold somewhat brainwashed views of the world.

Edited by imbored (18 Apr 2015 1.50pm)

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 18 Apr 15 2.09pm

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When are the Labour voters on this thread going to have the "balls" (excuse the pun) to admit it on here.

According to this thread none of you lefties are voting Labour as they are too far right.

Why are they polling so high then?


Just saw Miliband disowned by the Jews of Finchley on the news. And while the left have anti-semitic leanings they're well disguised, as with their intentions to vote Labour.

People want to vote smart and for policies rather then personalities but lack the imagination or balls to do anything other than vote for the most likely party to keep the Tories out.


I'm voting UKIP, all the non-racists are, you can tell by the thread.

All the anti-Semites are voting Labour, and not National Socialist parties.

Also, let's not forget that Ed Miliband once looked funny eating a sandwich.


Vegan munching Lefties.

 


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imbored Flag UK 18 Apr 15 2.16pm

Quote pefwin at 18 Apr 2015 2.09pm

Quote imbored at 17 Apr 2015 9.22pm

Quote pefwin at 17 Apr 2015 9.08pm

Quote johnfirewall at 17 Apr 2015 7.51pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Apr 2015 10.30am

When are the Labour voters on this thread going to have the "balls" (excuse the pun) to admit it on here.

According to this thread none of you lefties are voting Labour as they are too far right.

Why are they polling so high then?


Just saw Miliband disowned by the Jews of Finchley on the news. And while the left have anti-semitic leanings they're well disguised, as with their intentions to vote Labour.

People want to vote smart and for policies rather then personalities but lack the imagination or balls to do anything other than vote for the most likely party to keep the Tories out.


I'm voting UKIP, all the non-racists are, you can tell by the thread.

All the anti-Semites are voting Labour, and not National Socialist parties.

Also, let's not forget that Ed Miliband once looked funny eating a sandwich.


Vegan munching Lefties.


I knew from the way he was eating that sandwich that he had several ethnic and homosexual friends and likely illegals mowing his lawn. The wife disagreed so I put her in her place.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Apr 15 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 1.47pm

The more ideologically driven someone is the more they fall into the trap of simplifying people and the political landscape. It just seems like a bad starting point.

Jamie doesn't come in for quite so much criticism as the rest of us because he's fair, self aware, not waving a finger at anyone, and generally has really fleshed out ideas about the world.

As for debate, almost everyone is constantly looking to reaffirm their own ideas, rather than change their mind about anything. Which in and of itself suggests that on some level we all know we hold somewhat brainwashed views of the world.

Edited by imbored (18 Apr 2015 1.50pm)


Jamie does, in fact, come into quite a lot of criticism.

I'd agree with your opinion that's he as a very good poster, independent of whether people agree with him or not, that's recognised by many, including me.

However, you're wrong to accuse me or something yet ignore it when Jamie on the very same page has done the very same thing.

I don't really have an issue with the 'lefty righty' generalization thing in practice....How could I as I use it myself....I was only pointing out that I thought Jamie's point was wrong about the right's general attitude towards the NHS and Welfare.

You've kind of blown up that point......It isn't that big a deal.

People can, 'lefty righty' away as much as they like, surely.....And posters can tell them they are talking BS in reply.

That's apart of the knockabout. And sometimes people's views are informed.....And yes, indeed, sometimes altered.

I've been informed by the forum and some of my views altered by posters whose views I read and respect.....Right or left or neither.

A closed mind is a limited one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2015 2.40pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Apr 15 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

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I knew from the way he was eating that sandwich that he had several ethnic and homosexual friends and likely illegals mowing his lawn. The wife disagreed so I put her in her place.


After the word female there should be in brackets (occasional milk and baby dispensing unit).

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Apr 15 2.50pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I think the 'left are disguised anti-Semites' thing isn't right or fair.

It's about as valid as those who say that Ukip are disguised racists.

It's certainly true that both parties contain people who deserve that label but as a depiction of the genuine intend behind the policies I think it's both a cynical and unfair interpretation on both.

I don't think most supporters of those parties are either....But a minority definitely bandwagon...Fair enough.

It's annoying when people connect you to an intent that you don't hold because you believe in a particular policy.

Saying that you believe that a country should control its own borders isn't racist.....Saying that you don't agree with Israeli's policy towards the Palestinians isn't anti semenic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2015 2.52pm)

 


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imbored Flag UK 18 Apr 15 3.19pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Apr 2015 2.38pm

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 1.47pm

The more ideologically driven someone is the more they fall into the trap of simplifying people and the political landscape. It just seems like a bad starting point.

Jamie doesn't come in for quite so much criticism as the rest of us because he's fair, self aware, not waving a finger at anyone, and generally has really fleshed out ideas about the world.

As for debate, almost everyone is constantly looking to reaffirm their own ideas, rather than change their mind about anything. Which in and of itself suggests that on some level we all know we hold somewhat brainwashed views of the world.

Edited by imbored (18 Apr 2015 1.50pm)


Jamie does, in fact, come into quite a lot of criticism.

I'd agree with your opinion that's he as a very good poster, independent of whether people agree with him or not, that's recognised by many, including me.

However, you're wrong to accuse me or something yet ignore it when Jamie on the very same page has done the very same thing.

I don't really have an issue with the 'lefty righty' generalization thing in practice....How could I as I use it myself....I was only pointing out that I thought Jamie's point was wrong about the right's general attitude towards the NHS and Welfare.

You've kind of blown up that point......It isn't that big a deal.

People can, 'lefty righty' away as much as they like, surely.....And posters can tell them they are talking BS in reply.

That's apart of the knockabout. And sometimes people's views are informed.....And yes, indeed, sometimes altered.

I've been informed by the forum and some of my views altered by posters whose views I read and respect.....Right or left or neither.

A closed mind is a limited one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2015 2.40pm)

Yes I agree on the knockabout point on here, there's definitely something to that. I'm sure people would find more commonality in person. I can see it now. Matt and Nick, arm in arm.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 18 Apr 15 6.08pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 3.19pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Apr 2015 2.38pm

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 1.47pm

The more ideologically driven someone is the more they fall into the trap of simplifying people and the political landscape. It just seems like a bad starting point.

Jamie doesn't come in for quite so much criticism as the rest of us because he's fair, self aware, not waving a finger at anyone, and generally has really fleshed out ideas about the world.

As for debate, almost everyone is constantly looking to reaffirm their own ideas, rather than change their mind about anything. Which in and of itself suggests that on some level we all know we hold somewhat brainwashed views of the world.

Edited by imbored (18 Apr 2015 1.50pm)


Jamie does, in fact, come into quite a lot of criticism.

I'd agree with your opinion that's he as a very good poster, independent of whether people agree with him or not, that's recognised by many, including me.

However, you're wrong to accuse me or something yet ignore it when Jamie on the very same page has done the very same thing.

I don't really have an issue with the 'lefty righty' generalization thing in practice....How could I as I use it myself....I was only pointing out that I thought Jamie's point was wrong about the right's general attitude towards the NHS and Welfare.

You've kind of blown up that point......It isn't that big a deal.

People can, 'lefty righty' away as much as they like, surely.....And posters can tell them they are talking BS in reply.

That's apart of the knockabout. And sometimes people's views are informed.....And yes, indeed, sometimes altered.

I've been informed by the forum and some of my views altered by posters whose views I read and respect.....Right or left or neither.

A closed mind is a limited one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2015 2.40pm)

Yes I agree on the knockabout point on here, there's definitely something to that. I'm sure people would find more commonality in person. I can see it now. Matt and Nick, arm in arm.


If you were a true Palace fan, you wouldn't have posted that at 3.19 on a Saturday match day.

You would have been otherwise occupied.

Troll.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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imbored Flag UK 18 Apr 15 6.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 18 Apr 2015 6.08pm

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 3.19pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Apr 2015 2.38pm

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 1.47pm

The more ideologically driven someone is the more they fall into the trap of simplifying people and the political landscape. It just seems like a bad starting point.

Jamie doesn't come in for quite so much criticism as the rest of us because he's fair, self aware, not waving a finger at anyone, and generally has really fleshed out ideas about the world.

As for debate, almost everyone is constantly looking to reaffirm their own ideas, rather than change their mind about anything. Which in and of itself suggests that on some level we all know we hold somewhat brainwashed views of the world.

Edited by imbored (18 Apr 2015 1.50pm)


Jamie does, in fact, come into quite a lot of criticism.

I'd agree with your opinion that's he as a very good poster, independent of whether people agree with him or not, that's recognised by many, including me.

However, you're wrong to accuse me or something yet ignore it when Jamie on the very same page has done the very same thing.

I don't really have an issue with the 'lefty righty' generalization thing in practice....How could I as I use it myself....I was only pointing out that I thought Jamie's point was wrong about the right's general attitude towards the NHS and Welfare.

You've kind of blown up that point......It isn't that big a deal.

People can, 'lefty righty' away as much as they like, surely.....And posters can tell them they are talking BS in reply.

That's apart of the knockabout. And sometimes people's views are informed.....And yes, indeed, sometimes altered.

I've been informed by the forum and some of my views altered by posters whose views I read and respect.....Right or left or neither.

A closed mind is a limited one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2015 2.40pm)

Yes I agree on the knockabout point on here, there's definitely something to that. I'm sure people would find more commonality in person. I can see it now. Matt and Nick, arm in arm.


If you were a true Palace fan, you wouldn't have posted that at 3.19 on a Saturday match day.

You would have been otherwise occupied.

Troll.

Ever heard of a laptop, Matt? I often comment in game threads during live games too. Is that okay with you? It seems I need to check.

Troll this, troll that. Get back to making Columbo style sweeping generalisations of the black community picked up while trying to get your end away. That's more entertaining .


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Apr 15 6.50pm

Now I know what Matt gets up to in his trips abroad...
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Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 6.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 18 Apr 2015 6.08pm

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 3.19pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Apr 2015 2.38pm

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 1.47pm

The more ideologically driven someone is the more they fall into the trap of simplifying people and the political landscape. It just seems like a bad starting point.

Jamie doesn't come in for quite so much criticism as the rest of us because he's fair, self aware, not waving a finger at anyone, and generally has really fleshed out ideas about the world.

As for debate, almost everyone is constantly looking to reaffirm their own ideas, rather than change their mind about anything. Which in and of itself suggests that on some level we all know we hold somewhat brainwashed views of the world.

Edited by imbored (18 Apr 2015 1.50pm)


Jamie does, in fact, come into quite a lot of criticism.

I'd agree with your opinion that's he as a very good poster, independent of whether people agree with him or not, that's recognised by many, including me.

However, you're wrong to accuse me or something yet ignore it when Jamie on the very same page has done the very same thing.

I don't really have an issue with the 'lefty righty' generalization thing in practice....How could I as I use it myself....I was only pointing out that I thought Jamie's point was wrong about the right's general attitude towards the NHS and Welfare.

You've kind of blown up that point......It isn't that big a deal.

People can, 'lefty righty' away as much as they like, surely.....And posters can tell them they are talking BS in reply.

That's apart of the knockabout. And sometimes people's views are informed.....And yes, indeed, sometimes altered.

I've been informed by the forum and some of my views altered by posters whose views I read and respect.....Right or left or neither.

A closed mind is a limited one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2015 2.40pm)

Yes I agree on the knockabout point on here, there's definitely something to that. I'm sure people would find more commonality in person. I can see it now. Matt and Nick, arm in arm.


If you were a true Palace fan, you wouldn't have posted that at 3.19 on a Saturday match day.

You would have been otherwise occupied.

Troll.

Ever heard of a laptop, Matt? I often comment in game threads during live games too. Is that okay with you? It seems I need to check.

Troll this, troll that. Get back to making Columbo style sweeping generalisations of the black community picked up while trying to get your end away. That's more entertaining .

No sale. The dig in the second paragraph is trolling. So when you are denying trolling, you are trolling to do this!


 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Apr 15 6.54pm

Quote matt_himself at 18 Apr 2015 6.50pm

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 6.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 18 Apr 2015 6.08pm

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 3.19pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Apr 2015 2.38pm

Quote imbored at 18 Apr 2015 1.47pm

The more ideologically driven someone is the more they fall into the trap of simplifying people and the political landscape. It just seems like a bad starting point.

Jamie doesn't come in for quite so much criticism as the rest of us because he's fair, self aware, not waving a finger at anyone, and generally has really fleshed out ideas about the world.

As for debate, almost everyone is constantly looking to reaffirm their own ideas, rather than change their mind about anything. Which in and of itself suggests that on some level we all know we hold somewhat brainwashed views of the world.

Edited by imbored (18 Apr 2015 1.50pm)


Jamie does, in fact, come into quite a lot of criticism.

I'd agree with your opinion that's he as a very good poster, independent of whether people agree with him or not, that's recognised by many, including me.

However, you're wrong to accuse me or something yet ignore it when Jamie on the very same page has done the very same thing.

I don't really have an issue with the 'lefty righty' generalization thing in practice....How could I as I use it myself....I was only pointing out that I thought Jamie's point was wrong about the right's general attitude towards the NHS and Welfare.

You've kind of blown up that point......It isn't that big a deal.

People can, 'lefty righty' away as much as they like, surely.....And posters can tell them they are talking BS in reply.

That's apart of the knockabout. And sometimes people's views are informed.....And yes, indeed, sometimes altered.

I've been informed by the forum and some of my views altered by posters whose views I read and respect.....Right or left or neither.

A closed mind is a limited one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2015 2.40pm)

Yes I agree on the knockabout point on here, there's definitely something to that. I'm sure people would find more commonality in person. I can see it now. Matt and Nick, arm in arm.


If you were a true Palace fan, you wouldn't have posted that at 3.19 on a Saturday match day.

You would have been otherwise occupied.

Troll.

Ever heard of a laptop, Matt? I often comment in game threads during live games too. Is that okay with you? It seems I need to check.

Troll this, troll that. Get back to making Columbo style sweeping generalisations of the black community picked up while trying to get your end away. That's more entertaining .

No sale. The dig in the second paragraph is trolling. So when you are denying trolling, you are trolling to do this!



Hmm pot kettle black. Hypocrite tosser

 

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