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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 01 Jun 22 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Absolutely! Armageddon outta here! An uncomfortable and out of place amount of reason and logic in your post there SW19! Seconded. What amazes me with those who propose these doom-laden conspiracy theories is who, why, where and how is it all being co-ordinated and managed? They will come up with nonsense like the UN in tandem with the WEF, but only a cursory glance shows that as impossible. I cannot be bothered to respond to each one as they are all nonsense. What intrigues me is why people believe this stuff. It's genuinely David Icke nutty.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Jun 22 11.03am |
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Originally posted by W12
Nah, hadn't noticed that at all. It does amuse me that the reasoning you give for a 'fake pandemic' and an engineered war is to delay a total system failure, when in fact both of those things are the main drivers of inflation, and therefore the higher chance of system instability. Throw in Brexit complications and there's a lovely triumvirate of fail right there. QE is not a new thing, nor is it the main driver of the recent explosion in inflation. The government can only tinker so much with attempts at slowing inflation, as the main drivers are more or less out of their control, bar contributing Brexit issues. The reality is it is being caused in the main by natural resources and energy becoming constrained. First started by the massive Kent electrical interconnector fire last year then compounded by the start of the Ukraine invasion and subsequent transition away from Russian oil. It is now being made worse by the Russians disrupting the grain harvest, although the full knock on of that is yet to bite. So as the transition away from Russian oil develops, and the interconnector is fixed, inflation will start to drop. What is an unknown is how big a contributor the agricultural blocks from Russia will be. Recession is around the corner, but again, that's not exactly surprising. What it isn't, though, is the end of the system and all humanity. Which you seem to be suggesting is the case, imminently. At what point do you realise the hyperbolic scenarios you keep overposting about won't actually be coming to pass? Probably never if you've drunk the kool aid – not often a religious zealot decides that actually god doesn't exist, the end of the world is not nigh and he would be better off spending time with others than bashing away on a keyboard in a gilded room in West London complaining about taxes all day, everyday. The biggest irony is out of everyone on this forum you're probably the closest to the elites you claim to be causing and controlling all these issues than anyone else.
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| W12 01 Jun 22 11.30am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Nah, hadn't noticed that at all. It does amuse me that the reasoning you give for a 'fake pandemic' and an engineered war is to delay a total system failure, when in fact both of those things are the main drivers of inflation, and therefore the higher chance of system instability. Throw in Brexit complications and there's a lovely triumvirate of fail right there. QE is not a new thing, nor is it the main driver of the recent explosion in inflation. The government can only tinker so much with attempts at slowing inflation, as the main drivers are more or less out of their control, bar contributing Brexit issues. The reality is it is being caused in the main by natural resources and energy becoming constrained. First started by the massive Kent electrical interconnector fire last year then compounded by the start of the Ukraine invasion and subsequent transition away from Russian oil. It is now being made worse by the Russians disrupting the grain harvest, although the full knock on of that is yet to bite. So as the transition away from Russian oil develops, and the interconnector is fixed, inflation will start to drop. What is an unknown is how big a contributor the agricultural blocks from Russia will be. Recession is around the corner, but again, that's not exactly surprising. What it isn't, though, is the end of the system and all humanity. Which you seem to be suggesting is the case, imminently. At what point do you realise the hyperbolic scenarios you keep overposting about won't actually be coming to pass? Probably never if you've drunk the kool aid – not often a religious zealot decides that actually god doesn't exist, the end of the world is not nigh and he would be better off spending time with others than bashing away on a keyboard in a gilded room in West London complaining about taxes all day, everyday. The biggest irony is out of everyone on this forum you're probably the closest to the elites you claim to be causing and controlling all these issues than anyone else. The people benefitting from the the transfer of wealth have been using the windfall (putting it mildly) to buy real assets like land. They are certainly not buying government bonds. Governments have also been stockpiling gold. Inflation was already well under way before the war started. You seem angry.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Jun 22 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by W12
The people benefitting from the the transfer of wealth have been using the windfall (putting it mildly) to buy real assets like land. They are certainly not buying government bonds. Governments have also been stockpiling gold. Inflation was already well under way before the war started. You seem angry. Nope, just logical
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BlueJay  UK 01 Jun 22 3.29pm |
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Originally posted by W12
You seem angry. Said to the least angry person on here. He makes a good 'spending time with others' point, which I've made before. People aren't endlessly prattling on about their fringe politics on here and being the dork web component of the dark web because they're mentally well. It's the fall back virtual life following them clearly obliterating any actual social life due to being 'off' and unable to adapt to ordinary social environments and variety in people. Instead of basic realisations and self awarness, it's 'double down' weirdness where whole swathes of society are routinely written off with the exception of the reflection in the mirror. Look around. If the only people around you are those realistically unable to leave, that should tell you something.. That's a Telegram worth taking in.. Edited by BlueJay (01 Jun 2022 3.52pm)
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| W12 01 Jun 22 5.32pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Said to the least angry person on here. He makes a good 'spending time with others' point, which I've made before. People aren't endlessly prattling on about their fringe politics on here and being the dork web component of the dark web because they're mentally well. It's the fall back virtual life following them clearly obliterating any actual social life due to being 'off' and unable to adapt to ordinary social environments and variety in people. Instead of basic realisations and self awarness, it's 'double down' weirdness where whole swathes of society are routinely written off with the exception of the reflection in the mirror. Look around. If the only people around you are those realistically unable to leave, that should tell you something.. That's a Telegram worth taking in.. Edited by BlueJay (01 Jun 2022 3.52pm) Fringe politics? (like the New York Times?) You characterise me as some kind of basement dweller with no social life because that makes you feel more comfortable. I’m no longer in the game of points scoring but let’s see how long those Ukraine flags last on people’s bios.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Jun 22 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Nope, just logical Making statements like QE isn't responsible for inflation is logical? I haven't had time today but I think I have to go over some of this at some point.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Jun 22 6.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Making statements like QE isn't responsible for inflation is logical? I haven't had time today but I think I have to go over some of this at some point. *Current* unprecedented inflation, i.e. ridiculous highs of 7%. Otherwise it has been stable at an average of around 2-3% since 2009, when QE started, and yes, rather obviously, QE helps grow inflation. Removing QE also helps slow inflation. But it's a very delicate mechanism... the Fed announcing tapering back has contributed to a large chunk of value being wiped off shares, and rightly so – at it's current pace it has to end at some stage. Repeating, the main driver of current high inflation is not QE. War ends and energy stabilises, inflation drops back to 2-3%. Logic. What isn't logic is saying both the pandemic and the Ukraine conflict were somehow engineered to prevent a complete systemic collapse, when in fact those two things are actually making conditions far worse than if they'd not occurred at all. Boom and bust is and will always be a thing. It's human nature. But it's fantasy to think the end of the world is nigh all the time. Heard it all before.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 01 Jun 22 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Fringe politics? (like the New York Times?) You characterise me as some kind of basement dweller with no social life because that makes you feel more comfortable. I’m no longer in the game of points scoring but let’s see how long those Ukraine flags last on people’s bios. Yep I reckon you're right here. Although basements in your neck of the woods are not to be sniffed at.
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| W12 01 Jun 22 6.16pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Yep I reckon you're right here. Although basements in your neck of the woods are not to be sniffed at. I got where I am by being smart, being able to spot trends which is being good at pattern recognition.
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| W12 01 Jun 22 6.22pm | |
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| Stirlingsays 01 Jun 22 6.23pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
*Current* unprecedented inflation, i.e. ridiculous highs of 7%. Otherwise it has been stable at an average of around 2-3% since 2009, when QE started, and yes, rather obviously, QE helps grow inflation. Removing QE also helps slow inflation. But it's a very delicate mechanism... the Fed announcing tapering back has contributed to a large chunk of value being wiped off shares, and rightly so – at it's current pace it has to end at some stage. Repeating, the main driver of current high inflation is not QE. War ends and energy stabilises, inflation drops back to 2-3%. Logic. What isn't logic is saying both the pandemic and the Ukraine conflict were somehow engineered to prevent a complete systemic collapse, when in fact those two things are actually making conditions far worse than if they'd not occurred at all. Boom and bust is and will always be a thing. It's human nature. But it's fantasy to think the end of the world is nigh all the time. Heard it all before. QE has been around for as long as MMT, however comparing it to recent times just isn't looking at the same scales. 80 percent of the US dollars ever printed were printed within the last two years. Obviously confidence factors in as well as other factors but I just can't square your contention. I don't know how much we did but keeping thirty odd percent of the population at home on welfare for two years must have been massive once it's worked though....and its showing now....The Ukraine is just the cherry on top. I think the role of QE as the major driver of inflation is unquestionable. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Jun 2022 6.24pm)
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