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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 20 10.20am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Why bother with a party system at all if once elected MPs can ignore everything except their own opinion?

There are times when the whip is appropriate and times when it is not. A free vote on matters of conscience, like the death penalty, has always been the convention. Whether whipped or not, an MP can always ignore it. The issue is the penalties to their future career that they risk and it's those that need addressing, particularly at a local level.

MPs were free to support either "leave" or "remain" during the referendum campaign and this should have continued without any pressure.

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 29 Dec 20 10.21am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Post Brexit I see housing as the real litmus test. Even at this time when people are in financial dire straits house prices go up and up. Now that we have control over our borders, that's certainly one box ticked in terms of combatting a generation being priced out. My concern though is that while we've peeled away one layer of government (EU) control, it will still prove to be one layer too many. Our own politicians and parties are chock-full of those benefiting from keeping the average hard working man on the hamster wheel, and our sons and daughters spending decades paying off someone elses mortgage. If any party 'genuinely' intended to address this problem they'd have my vote.


The natural laws of supply and demand should prevail. Reduce the demand and prices will fall, it’s simple.

What I don’t agree with is artificially affecting the housing market in any way by some communist form of legislation that restricts property ownership. At the end of the day, if someone owns say 10 properties, they are not just leaving them empty, they are providing a much needed rental sector. Not everyone wants to buy.

If you want real change to the housing market then you need to change lots of things such as:

1. Remove excess demand. Controlling borders should help with this.
2. Build, build, build. Let’s get jobs, apprenticeships and the economy moving by government backed development. This should provide more rented and affordable housing and meet the new green technology requirements.
3. Stop foreign investment in the UK property market. Let’s have the people, the government and British business owning British property.
4. The principle of fair rent is not unreasonable and should return. It needs a lot of work though and re-implementing the old system would not be good.

There is lots that could be done and discussions on this could go on for days, however the basic principle is reduce excess demand by controlling the growth of population and increasing the supply of property. Simple economics will then make property affordable.

The property market is just one of many fantastic opportunities for this country to improve itself post Brexit.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Dec 20 10.46am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There are times when the whip is appropriate and times when it is not. A free vote on matters of conscience, like the death penalty, has always been the convention. Whether whipped or not, an MP can always ignore it. The issue is the penalties to their future career that they risk and it's those that need addressing, particularly at a local level.

MPs were free to support either "leave" or "remain" during the referendum campaign and this should have continued without any pressure.

Yes. You’ve said this before. It’s a system hardly served by the political giants currently in situ. Voting out inept MPs isn’t an option in an age of identity politics.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Dec 20 10.56am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The old red herrings are out in force tonight!

Saying something a million times doesn't make it right when it's wrong.

We weren't about to become part of a federal Europe. There was no such proposal on the table and no prospect of there ever being one, let alone of it being accepted. To raise it as an issue is naked scaremongering. Should any future UK government attempt to agree such a thing then I for one would stand shoulder to shoulder against it. It's not wanted and it won't happen. There is nothing inevitable about it. We would have to agree. We won't. End of!

Globalism has nothing to do with one government ruling the world, and mediocrity for all but an elite. Which far-right web site do you get these ideas from? It is actually just a way of describing the interconnected and interdependent modern world. Which truly is inevitable.


Come off it Wisbech. The EU only has one ultimate ambition. The centralisation of power. If you are too short sighted to see that then it explains a lot about your other opinions.

The inevitable consequence of globalisation will be fewer people with greater power over more people. A sort of planet wide communism where 99% of people become equally poor.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 29 Dec 20 11.05am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Come off it Wisbech. The EU only has one ultimate ambition. The centralisation of power. If you are too short sighted to see that then it explains a lot about your other opinions.

The inevitable consequence of globalisation will be fewer people with greater power over more people. A sort of planet wide communism where 99% of people become equally poor.

The whole point of a power bloc is obviously to wield that power for its own interests.

A major trade deal between the EU and China coming up shortly.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 29 Dec 20 11.31am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Sir Kier Starmer is to opposing the tories what Mother Theresa was to black Emanuelle.


 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Dec 20 11.35am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Yes. You’ve said this before. It’s a system hardly served by the political giants currently in situ. Voting out inept MPs isn’t an option in an age of identity politics.

Who we vote in or out is ultimately up to us. If it gets to be regarded as important then change can happen. Inept MPs can and do get exposed locally. What concerns me is how to limit the influence of activists with extreme views which are out of alignment with the mainstream in their party, or the local electorate, without discouraging a greater involvement in politics.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Dec 20 11.41am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There are times when the whip is appropriate and times when it is not. A free vote on matters of conscience, like the death penalty, has always been the convention. Whether whipped or not, an MP can always ignore it. The issue is the penalties to their future career that they risk and it's those that need addressing, particularly at a local level.

MPs were free to support either "leave" or "remain" during the referendum campaign and this should have continued without any pressure.

Correct and once the result was known at the next GE the parties had all formed policies which were a key plank to their electoral manifesto's. MPs who campaigned for their party manifesto and then voted against Brexit betrayed the electorate.

I have some sympathy for MP's like Ken Clark who made his feelings known to the voters that he was a Remainer he was deceiving no one.

Boris did what Mrs May should have done he kicked out those who had lied to their voters and at the 2019 GE not one of those scum, was voted back in so the electorate had their say as well.

Edited by Badger11 (29 Dec 2020 11.42am)

 


One more point

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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Dec 20 11.44am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The whole point of a power bloc is obviously to wield that power for its own interests.

A major trade deal between the EU and China coming up shortly.

There's still time to leave for you beloved EU.....You and Croydon could even get the same plane out.


 


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BlueJay Flag UK 29 Dec 20 11.50am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

The natural laws of supply and demand should prevail. Reduce the demand and prices will fall, it’s simple.

What I don’t agree with is artificially affecting the housing market in any way by some communist form of legislation that restricts property ownership. At the end of the day, if someone owns say 10 properties, they are not just leaving them empty, they are providing a much needed rental sector. Not everyone wants to buy.

If you want real change to the housing market then you need to change lots of things such as:

1. Remove excess demand. Controlling borders should help with this.
2. Build, build, build. Let’s get jobs, apprenticeships and the economy moving by government backed development. This should provide more rented and affordable housing and meet the new green technology requirements.
3. Stop foreign investment in the UK property market. Let’s have the people, the government and British business owning British property.
4. The principle of fair rent is not unreasonable and should return. It needs a lot of work though and re-implementing the old system would not be good.

There is lots that could be done and discussions on this could go on for days, however the basic principle is reduce excess demand by controlling the growth of population and increasing the supply of property. Simple economics will then make property affordable.

The property market is just one of many fantastic opportunities for this country to improve itself post Brexit.

I agree with all of your above 4 points, well stated. Making those changes would most certainly help both the hard working, and younger people looking to get onto the housing ladder. It would also ensure that those renting are doing so out of choice rather than necessity, which often isn't the case right now. Most people realistically can just about afford to pay a mortgage, but the system is set up in such a way that the mortgage happens to be someone elses.

My major concern is that there is no genuine interest by the political classes to push the above points you stated, because doing so would impact their own financial situation negatively. At least outside of the EU, they can no longer point to factors beyond their control. The buck stops with them. Time to hold their feel to the fire on issues like this.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Dec 2020 11.55am)

 

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Matov Flag 29 Dec 20 11.50am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20


A major trade deal between the EU and China coming up shortly.


And no doubt helped by the UK's departure meaning there are no real strong voices to oppose it based on China's human rights record and its actions in Hong Kong.

Still better to allow Germany to export more to China and support the entire rotten edifice that is the Euro.

Might be some interesting consequences. I know we were all meant to believe that old sleepy Joe Biden loved nothing more than wearing one of those half & half flags combining the tricolour of Ireland and the Blue & Gold of the EU but it turns out Washington ain't to impressed with the EU and its cozying up to China.

They are trying to whisper it but the word on the street is that Trumps policy of opposing the Chinese might actually continue you know with even your boy Obama conceding that perhaps he was a little to lenient with them.

Strange old world at times.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 29 Dec 20 11.51am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There's still time to leave for you beloved EU.....You and Croydon could even get the same plane out.


I am still in the EU as cultural ambassador to the HOL.

 

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