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crystal-purley Flag Purley 21 Oct 22 10.44am Send a Private Message to crystal-purley Add crystal-purley as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Here at CP news towers, we will be going ALL OUT to stop bungle coming back- this will include a poster campaign, lots of reminders why he was got rid of , no, lots, , and demonstrations with boris heads dancing outside CON HQ, we just CANT put up with anymore of this nonsense!


Will Jennifer Arcuri be heading this

 


Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Oct 22 10.46am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I'm hearing that the iceberg took one look at the "ship of state" and said not bloody likely I'm off.

Well, the lettuce endured longer than Ms Truss !

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Oct 22 11.22am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

NEW. *The Conservative Party falls to the lowest level of support in British polling history*

Labour 53%
Conservatives 14%
Lib Dems 11%

@PeoplePolling Oct 20


A random sample of people in Islington

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Oct 22 11.27am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

NEW. *The Conservative Party falls to the lowest level of support in British polling history*

Labour 53%
Conservatives 14%
Lib Dems 11%

@PeoplePolling Oct 20

People Polling Ltd incorporated three months ago with registered office at Flat 65, Wentworth Dwellings, 3 New Goulston Street LONDON E1 7PN

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Oct 22 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Just heard a representative of IPSOS report on some up to date polling on the popularity of those likely to be involved in the choosing of our next PM.

Johnson, whilst clearly still popular with Tory Party activists, is seen by 70% of voters as a liability. He rates bottom of a list of politicians for trustworthiness.

I then heard Johnson's former campaign manager saying that he would weigh the chances of success before deciding whether to stand, as he hates the idea of losing and also may not want to go down with the sinking Tory ship. Apparently Johnson remains convinced he did nothing wrong! So typical Johnson. Personal ambition before either Party or country.

Whether the Tory membership, in their own little bubble, have enough contrition, awareness and common sense to understand that, seems highly doubtful. So the Party, and MPs, trying to ensure they aren't involved makes good sense.

According to IPSOS this is Sunak's to lose. He has been proved right on the consequences of Truss's policies and is seen to offer stability and trustworthiness. His problem is with those who saw him as the Brutus to Johnson's Caesar.

My own view is that those still supporting Johnson need to wake up and get real, or walk away. The Tory Party has been a coalition of views ever since I can remember, but in the past it has worked out compromises in private and generally maintained a united public face. There was always a group who rejected the whole idea behind the EU, but once Farage and UKIP started to capture attention, use the EU as their scapegoat and jam tomorrow in the green fields over the hill as their bait, they came out of the shadows.

The Tory Party needs to split. It is no longer a Party with common objectives and a united approach on how to achieve them.

It should have split back in 2013 when Cameron first promised an "in or out" referendum. This was done to preserve the Tory Party and stop the 100 or so members of the ERG defecting to UKIP, or associating with them. With the majority of the Party in favour of remaining inside, albeit on modified terms, it wasn't, in their opinion, in the country's interests.

Had it split then I am convinced we would still be in the EU and significantly more stable and better off than we are now. UKIP would have a presence in Parliament. as they should, and we would probably have had a coalition governments, of either the centre right, or centre left.

Instead we are where we are. I still expect a split to happen. With the right now seen as the architects of this mess I hope, and expect, it will be them who are marginalised to the point that they decide to pitch their tents elsewhere. Then the Tory Party can settle down, regroup and prepare for a future as a modern centre right party of the type I remember in my youth. They likely be out of office for a while, except perhaps as part of a coalition, but can come back stronger, wiser and better looking.

"New Labour" worked. Perhaps "New Tory" can too?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Oct 22 12.44pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

The Tories have failed us on so much. Immigration and wokism being the main two for me. However, it was barking mad political suicide for the Tories to sack Johnson and the only chance they now have of avoiding total annihilation at the next election is now to bring him back.

It is staggering that a group of well educated people could fail to see that Johnson was the right man for them despite his flaws, primarily because they had no one else who is electable after Covid and during a time of global upheaval.

Bring Back Boris, I say. Anything that will keep reduce Labour's time in office is good for this country in relative terms.

The bigger picture.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Oct 22 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I agree somewhat with WE here, though obviously he only advocates for this because it best suits his political agenda, but he admits this so that's fair enough.

Personally, I think the Tory party should split just as I think that Labour should split.....and should have split when Momentum became a part of it.

But they didn't....because like the Tories, all they are interested in is being the party of power.

Principles are just words to most politicians.

However, society will continue to decline unless people start standing up for them.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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silvertop Flag Portishead 21 Oct 22 1.05pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The Tories have failed us on so much. Immigration and wokism being the main two for me. However, it was barking mad political suicide for the Tories to sack Johnson and the only chance they now have of avoiding total annihilation at the next election is now to bring him back.

It is staggering that a group of well educated people could fail to see that Johnson was the right man for them despite his flaws, primarily because they had no one else who is electable after Covid and during a time of global upheaval.

Bring Back Boris, I say. Anything that will keep reduce Labour's time in office is good for this country in relative terms.

The bigger picture.

Hrolf, please! I know we are ideological opposites but, for the sake of the nation we both love, does the PCP, of their considerable numbers, not have one person who is both electable and statesmanlike/competent? Surely.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 21 Oct 22 1.06pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I agree somewhat with WE here, though obviously he only advocates for this because it best suits his political agenda, but he admits this so that's fair enough.

Personally, I think the Tory party should split just as I think that Labour should split.....and should have split when Momentum became a part of it.

But they didn't....because like the Tories, all they are interested in is being the party of power.

Principles are just words to most politicians.

However, society will continue to decline unless people start standing up for them.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 21 Oct 22 1.40pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I agree somewhat with WE here, though obviously he only advocates for this because it best suits his political agenda, but he admits this so that's fair enough.

Personally, I think the Tory party should split just as I think that Labour should split.....and should have split when Momentum became a part of it.

But they didn't....because like the Tories, all they are interested in is being the party of power.

Principles are just words to most politicians.

However, society will continue to decline unless people start standing up for them.

Agreed I am sick of voting for a party only for them to betray us. Let's have a pro Brexit Tory Party and and a Pro Remain one then people can vote for the one they want. Same applies to Labour although the split maybe on different terms.

People are entitled to vote for parties that deliver what they promise not politicians who only care about power.

 


One more point

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Oct 22 1.52pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I agree somewhat with WE here, though obviously he only advocates for this because it best suits his political agenda, but he admits this so that's fair enough.

Personally, I think the Tory party should split just as I think that Labour should split.....and should have split when Momentum became a part of it.

But they didn't....because like the Tories, all they are interested in is being the party of power.

Principles are just words to most politicians.

However, society will continue to decline unless people start standing up for them.

Certainly, it seems to be the case that the two party system has meant that both have become too broader church of ideals.

We need clearly left, right and centrist parties and the necessary shuffle of MPs.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Oct 22 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Hrolf, please! I know we are ideological opposites but, for the sake of the nation we both love, does the PCP, of their considerable numbers, not have one person who is both electable and statesmanlike/competent? Surely.

Name them.

 

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