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 cryrst  The garden of England 25 Jun 22 3.55pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
I can't ever see it myself. For all our faults, we're no America. And outside of fringe types and time rich online ideological hobbyists types of left and right, we rarely go to the lengths they do. We're more of a rub along culture. Someone once said that Americans need more hope than we do. I think that's about right, they're all looking to some perfect reality that reflects their worldview, whereas here we're more concerned with the day to day, are more apathetic and cynical. There is a huge difference. The uk weren’t stupid enough to write a constitution which is so grey that I’m surprised it’s legible. Cherry picking and word spaghetti is so available I won’t be surprised to see child torture spoken about..
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 22 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Just a reminder of the sheer hypocrisy and double standards that are the norm for political life. [Tweet Link]What complete BS that is. There is no legitimate comparison between the Democrats claiming Trump was assisted into office by Russian interference in 2016, and Trump trying to illegally overturn the 2020 result. The Democrats based their claims on facts that were known to the intelligence services. That though did not result in them trying to overturn the election by illegal means. Everything they did then, and are doing now was, and is now, being done legally. Whether Trump either knew he was being helped, or has sufficient plausible deniability, are different questions. That he was helped in 2020 is beyond any reasonable doubt. Did that make him an "illegitimate President"? I can quite understand why a Democrat would say so. Did that make him an illegal President? Obviously not, as he served his term. Did he then try to stay in office illegally? We will find out soon enough.
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| BlueJay UK 25 Jun 22 5.45pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
There is a huge difference. The uk weren’t stupid enough to write a constitution which is so grey that I’m surprised it’s legible. Cherry picking and word spaghetti is so available I won’t be surprised to see child torture spoken about.. Definitley something to be said for this point. Created in 1787, there are so many possible interpretaions that basically it just comes down to whoever the judges are more than anything else. So it just lurches this way or that regardless of what the population of the time might think (as in most would be against this ruling).
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 25 Jun 22 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Maybe the heat gets to those European genes. The Mexicans should be use to it but that country's just a big drug cartel with spicy food.....surprised that Oasis didn't do more tours there. Great beaches though!
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 25 Jun 22 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What complete BS that is. There is no legitimate comparison between the Democrats claiming Trump was assisted into office by Russian interference in 2016, and Trump trying to illegally overturn the 2020 result. The Democrats based their claims on facts that were known to the intelligence services. That though did not result in them trying to overturn the election by illegal means. Everything they did then, and are doing now was, and is now, being done legally. Whether Trump either knew he was being helped, or has sufficient plausible deniability, are different questions. That he was helped in 2020 is beyond any reasonable doubt. Did that make him an "illegitimate President"? I can quite understand why a Democrat would say so. Did that make him an illegal President? Obviously not, as he served his term. Did he then try to stay in office illegally? We will find out soon enough. Clay Travis needs to talk to Trumps own daughter Ivanka more for the truth!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 22 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
On a serious note, suspect that something will happen to prevent this (I would not rule out an assassination of a SC judge by way of giving Biden the chance to rig it in favour of the s***-libs) but the Genie is out of the bottle now. And we are one step nearer to the US breaking up. There is simply no way back from this now. The Right have seen that things can be reversed and the Left are in meltdown over their shibboleths are under direct assault. There is no middle ground. I'll be honest, even I baulk a tad at the blanket ban on abortion being touted in some States, feeling that its a horrendous procedure but better to be (far more strictly mind) legislated than driven underground but the divide is now so strictly entrenched that I will back it based purely on the basis that it annoys those I despise. Willing to put my hands up to having become like this over the last decade, with it speeding up since Brexit and the disgusting attempts to render my 'Leave' vote null and void, but I just cannot see a way back to any kind of middle ground now. And can acknowledge that as a stance that will probably not end well. Your attitude over this is not only completely misplaced, it is very unhealthy, and not just for yourself. No-one at all tried to "render your "Leave" vote null and void. Both our votes, mine for Remain and yours for Leave, were in a referendum. Referendums have no legitimacy in the UK system, where Parliament is sovereign. Parliament decided to respect the vote and trigger Article 50. They could have decided that enough had changed since the original vote that it would have to be ignored. They could have decided it needed to be confirmed. Time and events change things. Nothing is, or should ever be, cast in stone forever. To do so would completely emasculate our Parliament. Those who argued for a confirmatory vote had every bit as much right to do so, as those who opposed it. There is nothing the least bit "disgusting" in holding opinions and campaigning for our Parliament to do what we think is best. What is disgusting is believing that to campaign for your beliefs is disgusting. No-one sought to stop the Eurosceptics campaigning for years.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 25 Jun 22 6.08pm |
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Does the anti abortion law mean it"s going to be harder to get some bareback action on my next visit to Fort Lauderdale for spring break?
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| cryrst The garden of England 25 Jun 22 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your attitude over this is not only completely misplaced, it is very unhealthy, and not just for yourself. No-one at all tried to "render your "Leave" vote null and void. Both our votes, mine for Remain and yours for Leave, were in a referendum. Referendums have no legitimacy in the UK system, where Parliament is sovereign. Parliament decided to respect the vote and trigger Article 50. They could have decided that enough had changed since the original vote that it would have to be ignored. They could have decided it needed to be confirmed. Time and events change things. Nothing is, or should ever be, cast in stone forever. To do so would completely emasculate our Parliament. Those who argued for a confirmatory vote had every bit as much right to do so, as those who opposed it. There is nothing the least bit "disgusting" in holding opinions and campaigning for our Parliament to do what we think is best. What is disgusting is believing that to campaign for your beliefs is disgusting. No-one sought to stop the Eurosceptics campaigning for years.
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| Matov 25 Jun 22 6.56pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Does the anti abortion law mean it"s going to be harder to get some bareback action on my next visit to Fort Lauderdale for spring break?
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 25 Jun 22 7.13pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
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| BlueJay UK 25 Jun 22 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
On a serious note, suspect that something will happen to prevent this (I would not rule out an assassination of a SC judge by way of giving Biden the chance to rig it in favour of the s***-libs) but the Genie is out of the bottle now. And we are one step nearer to the US breaking up. There is simply no way back from this now. The Right have seen that things can be reversed and the Left are in meltdown over their shibboleths are under direct assault. There is no middle ground. I'll be honest, even I baulk a tad at the blanket ban on abortion being touted in some States, feeling that its a horrendous procedure but better to be (far more strictly mind) legislated than driven underground but the divide is now so strictly entrenched that I will back it based purely on the basis that it annoys those I despise. Willing to put my hands up to having become like this over the last decade, with it speeding up since Brexit and the disgusting attempts to render my 'Leave' vote null and void, but I just cannot see a way back to any kind of middle ground now. And can acknowledge that as a stance that will probably not end well. The exact same logic could be used by States to ban Interacial marriage. I'm sure at least a handful would be well up for that. Perhaps you should be careful about wanting to have such desire to control other peoples lives, because it's solely about political control and power and if you put other people in that position, eventually politically you will be put into it yourself. The majority wouldn't support any of these measures, and if you felt the injustice of people trying to overturn Brexit through legal means (which ran their course and didn't hapen), I'm not sure that the lesson is to randomly decide that we need more of the same and that it's fun to put women in painful and dangerous situations just because it annoys people you despie. That is a unfortunate and sadistic mindset. If you let yourself become the worst of others behaviour, that rarely leads anywhere that helps others or yourself.
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| cryrst The garden of England 25 Jun 22 8.04pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
The exact same logic could be used by States to ban Interacial marriage. I'm sure at least a handful would be well up for that. Perhaps you should be careful about wanting to have such desire to control other peoples lives, because it's solely about political control and power and if you put other people in that position, eventually politically you will be put into it yourself. The majority wouldn't support any of these measures, and if you felt the injustice of people trying to overturn Brexit through legal means (which ran their course and didn't hapen), I'm not sure that the lesson is to randomly decide that we need more of the same and that it's fun to put women in painful and dangerous situations just because it annoys people you despie. That is a unfortunate and sadistic mindset. If you let yourself become the worst of others behaviour, that rarely leads anywhere that helps others or yourself. The majority in the USA don’t support this ruling so that makes out system a lot more sensible and fair ref brexit.
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