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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 20 11.05am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I view your post as so blinkered as to be parody.

I view your post as being written by someone whose blinkers turn far to the right.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 20 11.13am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That is either a statement made of wilful ignorance or a deliberate lie.

It might be your opinion that they are not simply commercial businesses whose role is to make money for their shareholders, but it is mine.

None were established as either government or social enterprises. They may now be adopting more responsible oversight and subsequent interventions but that is all being driven by commercial considerations.

Are you ignorant of what drives a business? Have you ever worked in commerce or were you always one who knew better, as you think you do now?

Those that can, do. Those who can't, teach.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 20 11.25am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by matthau

100%. Wibitch has his head in the sand

Coming from someone who believes the wildest of the current conspiracy theories that made me giggle. So thanks.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Dec 20 11.44am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No one needs to protect an inoffensive opinion.

Neither Stalin nor Hitler cared about inoffensive opinions.

Until Blair this country protected free speech outside of physical threats and allowing for libel.

America's first amendment protected both left and right and social media companies have been abusing its spirit since they were provided undeserved protections from being a publisher.

If you censor opinions you are an editor and hence a publisher. When companies act as political monopolies that matters.

One of Trump's chief failings was allowing big tech to be political while allowing them protection under the law......He will have to answer for this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2020 11.03am)

Who gets to define an "inoffensive" opinion?

One of the things that Trump shares with both Hitler and Stalin is his intolerance of any kind of criticism. They went rather further than Trump has in the way they responded to it, although he leaves the impression that he might envy their power to react in whichever way he chose.

Free speech remains protected. It's not what you can say, or think, but where, how and when you can say it that has been clarified. Which is a societal evolution, and not a backward step.

Social media companies are not publishers. No editor, for instance, would allow the lies Trump includes in his tweets to appear in his publication. The lawyers would insist they be removed.

Opinions are not being censored. That's a misconception. Social media companies are merely responding to their advertisers and users preferences in their own commercial interests. They aren't removing posts because of any personal objections. If people want the truth, then that's what they will try to give them. If they see what is regarded as a lie, then it will be flagged or removed.

Trump will answer for a lot of things but allowing social media to become political won't be one of them, because they haven't.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Dec 20 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I view your post as being written by someone whose blinkers turn far to the right.

Disingenuous.

Which of my views are 'far right' anyway?

You are old enough to know that most of my views were standard conservative policy before Cameron and still are common within its grass roots.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Dec 20 1.01pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Why does the POTUS seek pre-emptive pardons for his family?

He is expected to be issuing pardons before his exit and here we can expect the worst of politics, already started with Flynn.

'Bribery for pardons'.

A justice department investigation already underway alleges that an individual offered “a substantial political contribution in exchange for a presidential pardon or reprieve of sentence”.

He will end just a cheap crook like Nixon was.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Dec 20 1.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who gets to define an "inoffensive" opinion?

What a bizarre sentence.

If a statement isn't objected to that is by definition 'inoffensive'.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

One of the things that Trump shares with both Hitler and Stalin is his intolerance of any kind of criticism. They went rather further than Trump has in the way they responded to it, although he leaves the impression that he might envy their power to react in whichever way he chose.


Pure TDS.

Trump could have started new wars if he had wanted to....but perhaps he was fed up with fighting Bush/Obama/Biden's never ending wars....as they were.

And let it not for forgotten that Clinton wanted more involvement in Syria.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Free speech remains protected. It's not what you can say, or think, but where, how and when you can say it that has been clarified. Which is a societal evolution, and not a backward step.


If free speech existed you wouldn't need to qualify it.


Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Social media companies are not publishers. No editor, for instance, would allow the lies Trump includes in his tweets to appear in his publication. The lawyers would insist they be removed.

Editors allow lies to be published all the time....what a ridiculous statement.

Social media restrict and edit Trump's posts. That is the action of a publisher and against the protections that were afforded to them.

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Opinions are not being censored. That's a misconception. Social media companies are merely responding to their advertisers and users preferences in their own commercial interests. They aren't removing posts because of any personal objections. If people want the truth, then that's what they will try to give them. If they see what is regarded as a lie, then it will be flagged or removed.

Trump will answer for a lot of things but allowing social media to become political won't be one of them, because they haven't.

These are pure lies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2020 1.34pm)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Who gets to define an "inoffensive" opinion?

Free speech remains protected. It's not what you can say, or think, but where, how and when you can say it that has been clarified. Which is a societal evolution, and not a backward step.

Opinions are not being censored. That's a misconception.

Free speech in Scotland won’t be as free as it used to be if you can be prosecuted for what you say in your own home.

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Stirlingsays Flag 02 Dec 20 1.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It might be your opinion that they are not simply commercial businesses whose role is to make money for their shareholders, but it is mine.

None were established as either government or social enterprises. They may now be adopting more responsible oversight and subsequent interventions but that is all being driven by commercial considerations.

Are you ignorant of what drives a business? Have you ever worked in commerce or were you always one who knew better, as you think you do now?

Those that can, do. Those who can't, teach.

I have employed people in the past, yes.

I went into teaching to help working class youngsters, it was an ideological decision at the time.

As for your last sentence....it's kind of amusing really. You want restrictions on free speech yet have no problems issuing offence when you see fit.

With me that's fine....but in my view it exposes your hypocrisy.

 


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Originally posted by matthau

100%. Wibitch has his head in the sand

How's that bet looking?

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Free speech in Scotland won’t be as free as it used to be if you can be prosecuted for what you say in your own home.

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I wonder how that legislation will sit with the lyrics of certain rap songs?

 

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I quite enjoyed this take from an American on the general state of it all

"The thing you have to realize is that the media channels in this country are basically split in half, and those that support Trump are blatantly outlandish and bizarre in nature because they're talking to a brain damaged audience and need to get that impact.

The intelligent right wing are those that lurk in the shadows. The people who give a f*** about building walls, militias to start race wars, opening coal plants, hillary emails, pedogate are all just kept on a steady diet of tabloid worthy bulls***.

The country would potentially even unify and s*** their pants if they heard what right wing senators ACTUALLY thought and were ACTUALLY working towards. But instead you see "LOL TRUMP CAN'T LIFT A CUP" on the news, instead of "old white men striking yet another deal to benefit each other."

To put it another way, Trump's role as the boss in the Apprentice was supposed to be borderline humorous as he was a failed business icon leading these goofy challenges... but the public is so f***ing uneducated that the cartoon was considered "reality."

That is the caliber of intelligence you have to consider you're dealing with, and there's no fix for it. It's zero different than the National Enquirer and bat boy / jesus in toast level of idiocy.

The left, on the other hand, have more population because the left is represented by diversity and collaboration in major cities. However our political system "weights" rural districts to (crazy sarcastic airquotes) """""""""""""""""""""make it fair""""""""""""""""""""""""".

The left eats itself: too smart, too "correct." And then when they use the same political maneuvering like the party tends to do, it ALWAYS misfires.

And here we are again, a voting system so f***ing broken that our choice is between a single candidate and NOT the single candidate, and not a ranking of who would be best, or who is actually a good fit."

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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