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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 27 Dec 20 9.38am
Originally posted by Willo It appears as though a compromise was reached.The EU wanted a 14 year transition, the UK offered 3 years but a settlement was reached at 5.5 years. For avoidance of doubt I have not seen the text of the whole deal but the above is what has been mentioned. I believe the position is that the amount the UK can catch in its own waters will rise from about 50% now to 66% in 5.5 years. Then it is free to reduce the EU %, but will have to pay either (possibly very high) compensation or face retaliatory tariffs if it does so. This is why the fish brigade are crying betrayal. Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.38am) Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.39am) Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.40am) Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 27 Dec 20 9.38am

Originally posted by Willo

It appears as though a compromise was reached.The EU wanted a 14 year transition, the UK offered 3 years but a settlement was reached at 5.5 years.

For avoidance of doubt I have not seen the text of the whole deal but the above is what has been mentioned.

I believe the position is that the amount the UK can catch in its own waters will rise from about 50% now to 66% in 5.5 years. Then it is free to reduce the EU %, but will have to pay either (possibly very high) compensation or face retaliatory tariffs if it does so. This is why the fish brigade are crying betrayal.

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cryrst The garden of England 27 Dec 20 9.43am
Originally posted by kevlee Originally posted by Willo It appears as though a compromise was reached.The EU wanted a 14 year transition, the UK offered 3 years but a settlement was reached at 5.5 years. For avoidance of doubt I have not seen the text of the whole deal but the above is what has been mentioned. I believe the position is that the amount the UK can catch in its own waters will rise from about 50% now to 66% in 5.5 years. Then it is free to reduce the EU %, but will have to pay either (possibly very high) compensation or face retaliatory tariffs if it does so. This is why the fish brigade are crying betrayal. Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.38am) Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.39am) Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.40am) So without brexit it would be 50% in 5.5 years !
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The garden of England 27 Dec 20 9.43am

Originally posted by kevlee

Originally posted by Willo

It appears as though a compromise was reached.The EU wanted a 14 year transition, the UK offered 3 years but a settlement was reached at 5.5 years.

For avoidance of doubt I have not seen the text of the whole deal but the above is what has been mentioned.

Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.38am)

Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.39am)

Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.40am)

So without brexit it would be 50% in 5.5 years !

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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 27 Dec 20 9.50am
Originally posted by cryrst So without brexit it would be 50% in 5.5 years ! Correct. Its the compensation / tariffs issue if we reduce it from the 66% in 5.5 years that is causing the anger. It is to compensate for the losses that will be suffered by French fishing communities I believe, from what I can understand anyway. Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 27 Dec 20 9.50am

Originally posted by cryrst

So without brexit it would be 50% in 5.5 years !

Correct. Its the compensation / tariffs issue if we reduce it from the 66% in 5.5 years that is causing the anger. It is to compensate for the losses that will be suffered by French fishing communities I believe, from what I can understand anyway.

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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Dec 20 9.56am
Originally posted by kevlee Originally posted by Willo It appears as though a compromise was reached.The EU wanted a 14 year transition, the UK offered 3 years but a settlement was reached at 5.5 years. For avoidance of doubt I have not seen the text of the whole deal but the above is what has been mentioned. I believe the position is that the amount the UK can catch in its own waters will rise from about 50% now to 66% in 5.5 years. Then it is free to reduce the EU %, but will have to pay either (possibly very high) compensation or face retaliatory tariffs if it does so. This is why the fish brigade are crying betrayal. Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.38am) Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.39am) Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.40am) From Jan 1 they will be better off than they are now. It's not exactly what they wanted but they now have 5 years to plan to increase the fleet and lobby our government for what they want when this deal runs out. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 27 Dec 20 9.56am

Originally posted by kevlee

Originally posted by Willo

It appears as though a compromise was reached.The EU wanted a 14 year transition, the UK offered 3 years but a settlement was reached at 5.5 years.

For avoidance of doubt I have not seen the text of the whole deal but the above is what has been mentioned.

Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.38am)

Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.39am)

Edited by kevlee (27 Dec 2020 9.40am)

From Jan 1 they will be better off than they are now. It's not exactly what they wanted but they now have 5 years to plan to increase the fleet and lobby our government for what they want when this deal runs out.

One more point

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steeleye20 Croydon 27 Dec 20 11.15am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What value has that so called influence been? Give me some examples. The single market was actually Thatcher's great achievement she saw at once the country's access to a huge market and it has brought the UK prosperity. That is why Johnson was so desperate to get his deal. It won't be anything like it is now, with tariffs (it is not tariff-free as stated) and regulation the UK will be gradually strangled and lose it's competitiveness. Financial services, not trade, provide 80% of the UK's income, there is nothing for the UK in this deal at all, in fact the access to the EU is restricted. All pain for no gain.
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steeleye20

Croydon 27 Dec 20 11.15am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What value has that so called influence been?

Give me some examples.

The single market was actually Thatcher's great achievement she saw at once the country's access to a huge market and it has brought the UK prosperity.

That is why Johnson was so desperate to get his deal.

It won't be anything like it is now, with tariffs (it is not tariff-free as stated) and regulation the UK will be gradually strangled and lose it's competitiveness.

Financial services, not trade, provide 80% of the UK's income, there is nothing for the UK in this deal at all, in fact the access to the EU is restricted.

All pain for no gain.

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Matov 27 Dec 20 11.31am
Originally posted by steeleye20 All pain for no gain. We had a vote prior to which all we were told about was the pain. And we voted to leave. That vote is finally about to be honoured. Have you any concept of what might have happened to this country if it had not been? The real and genuine pain that would have ensued? Anybody who continued to try and get us to remain in the EU once that vote in 2016 had been held and counted needs to be hanging their heads in eternal shame for the 'pain' they did their desperate best to put this country through. The divide that Remoaners created is so deep now that I suspect it can never be healed. So go to your biscuit tin and reward yourselves with an organic, ethically sourced digestive and give yourselves a big f*ing pat on the back. No gain? How about the fact that very basic principle of one person, one vote has triumphed despite all the snidey, narcissistic and utterly vacuous attempts by total s-cs? That's a big f*ing win my book. Edited by Matov (27 Dec 2020 11.43am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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27 Dec 20 11.31am

Originally posted by steeleye20

All pain for no gain.

We had a vote prior to which all we were told about was the pain. And we voted to leave. That vote is finally about to be honoured.

Have you any concept of what might have happened to this country if it had not been? The real and genuine pain that would have ensued?

Anybody who continued to try and get us to remain in the EU once that vote in 2016 had been held and counted needs to be hanging their heads in eternal shame for the 'pain' they did their desperate best to put this country through.

The divide that Remoaners created is so deep now that I suspect it can never be healed. So go to your biscuit tin and reward yourselves with an organic, ethically sourced digestive and give yourselves a big f***ing pat on the back.

No gain? How about the fact that very basic principle of one person, one vote has triumphed despite all the snidey, narcissistic and utterly vacuous attempts by total s***-c***s?

That's a big f***ing win my book.

Edited by Matov (27 Dec 2020 11.43am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 27 Dec 20 12.27pm
The vote is history. End of. The deal and how we make it work is the only thing that should matter.But.. Am I bothered that there is nothing in it about financial services? Of course I am. Am I annoyed about all this fish nonsense? Yes. Am I annoyed about Tories and their mates scuttling out the back door to set up companies in the EU? Yes. But its called democracy. You give the people want they vote for. Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 27 Dec 20 12.27pm

The vote is history. End of.
The deal and how we make it work is the only thing that should matter.But..
Am I bothered that there is nothing in it about financial services? Of course I am.
Am I annoyed about all this fish nonsense? Yes.
Am I annoyed about Tories and their mates scuttling out the back door to set up companies in the EU? Yes.
But its called democracy. You give the people want they vote for.

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Spiderman Horsham 27 Dec 20 12.36pm
Originally posted by Bert the Head What a measured well thought out post! Unfortunately typical of a lot of remainers but hey ho
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Horsham 27 Dec 20 12.36pm

Originally posted by Bert the Head

What a measured well thought out post! Unfortunately typical of a lot of remainers but hey ho

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Spiderman Horsham 27 Dec 20 12.39pm
Originally posted by corkery The EU up to last month wanted all Schengen citizens' visas to be the same. The UK wanted Romania and Bulgaria removed from this 'equality'. Does anyone know the outcome of this? Not sure if this helps under “ how long can I go for”. [Link]
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Horsham 27 Dec 20 12.39pm

Originally posted by corkery

The EU up to last month wanted all Schengen citizens' visas to be the same. The UK wanted Romania and Bulgaria removed from this 'equality'. Does anyone know the outcome of this?

Not sure if this helps under “ how long can I go for”.

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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 27 Dec 20 12.48pm
Originally posted by Spiderman What a measured well thought out post! Unfortunately typical of a lot of remainers but hey ho I voted leave... Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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kevlee

born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 27 Dec 20 12.48pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

What a measured well thought out post! Unfortunately typical of a lot of remainers but hey ho

I voted leave...

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steeleye20 Croydon 27 Dec 20 12.52pm
Whatever happened to sovereignty and freedom from Brussels rule-taking? Would a brexiteer just like to run those arguments through again? After all it has been a matter of life and death to them for 4 years? Jettisoned by Johnson for his day in the sun, in a matter of hours. Thank you brexiteers for our increased 'control' and 'sovereignty' which you have actually conceded to the EU. Detail was never your thing, was it? I mean it wasn't written on the side of a bus in huge lettering.
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steeleye20

Croydon 27 Dec 20 12.52pm

Whatever happened to sovereignty and freedom from Brussels rule-taking?

Would a brexiteer just like to run those arguments through again?

After all it has been a matter of life and death to them for 4 years?

Jettisoned by Johnson for his day in the sun, in a matter of hours.

Thank you brexiteers for our increased 'control' and 'sovereignty' which you have actually conceded to the EU.

Detail was never your thing, was it?

I mean it wasn't written on the side of a bus in huge lettering.

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