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The groover Danbury 31 May 22 9.06am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The EU isn't Nato. Both have entirely different entry criteria. For whatever reason the EU eased the way in for Greece, who conned them on the way and then have spent a long time paying for it. Ukraine joining the EU, which is possible, would have no bearing at all on whether it would be admitted into Nato, which I cannot imagine happening in the foreseeable future. The Eastern European countries who joined were far from "3rd world countries". They wanted to align themselves with the west after decades of being dominated by Russia. Building a democratic barrier between ourselves and the mafia state to the east made sense, and does so even more now. I may not have been clear enough on the EU/NATO situation. If an aggressor were to attack an EU country then the others would have to come to its aid. ergo, NATO countries would get involved therefore an EU country is part of NATO by default. When Romania joined they were a 3rd world country. I'm not saying that we should not have let them join. But they should have entered as prospects (using a sons of A analogy), without full rights. i.e freedom of movement. etc. Until their standard of living was brought up to a higher level.
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Danbury 31 May 22 9.06am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The EU isn't Nato.

Both have entirely different entry criteria. For whatever reason the EU eased the way in for Greece, who conned them on the way and then have spent a long time paying for it.

Ukraine joining the EU, which is possible, would have no bearing at all on whether it would be admitted into Nato, which I cannot imagine happening in the foreseeable future.

The Eastern European countries who joined were far from "3rd world countries". They wanted to align themselves with the west after decades of being dominated by Russia. Building a democratic barrier between ourselves and the mafia state to the east made sense, and does so even more now.

I may not have been clear enough on the EU/NATO situation. If an aggressor were to attack an EU country then the others would have to come to its aid. ergo, NATO countries would get involved therefore an EU country is part of NATO by default.

When Romania joined they were a 3rd world country.

I'm not saying that we should not have let them join. But they should have entered as prospects (using a sons of A analogy), without full rights. i.e freedom of movement. etc. Until their standard of living was brought up to a higher level.

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The groover Danbury 31 May 22 9.11am
The UK have just announced that the decommission of coal fired power stations will be delayed. Lets hope they do something about the emissions. Natural Gas will soon be replaced by Hydrogen anyway. Its already started. Russia can then stick up their a***. [Link] There are already trials underway.
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Danbury 31 May 22 9.11am

The UK have just announced that the decommission of coal fired power stations will be delayed. Lets hope they do something about the emissions.

Natural Gas will soon be replaced by Hydrogen anyway. Its already started. Russia can then stick up their a***.

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There are already trials underway.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 31 May 22 9.19am
The viability of renewables/alternative energy sources is a huge positive outcome of the Ukraine war. Under existing conditions, the west would normally have continued looking for oil, accelerated fracking and continued with existing nuclear facilities. Now the political will exists to continue with a new generation of nuclear facilities, whilst significant monies will be available for exploiting renewables (including hydrogen). However, the Ukraine situation has made me extremely cynical of media and political news. I disengage, I turn the page.
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The viability of renewables/alternative energy sources is a huge positive outcome of the Ukraine war. Under existing conditions, the west would normally have continued looking for oil, accelerated fracking and continued with existing nuclear facilities.
Now the political will exists to continue with a new generation of nuclear facilities, whilst significant monies will be available for exploiting renewables (including hydrogen).

However, the Ukraine situation has made me extremely cynical of media and political news.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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W12 31 May 22 11.40am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly The viability of renewables/alternative energy sources is a huge positive outcome of the Ukraine war. Under existing conditions, the west would normally have continued looking for oil, accelerated fracking and continued with existing nuclear facilities. Now the political will exists to continue with a new generation of nuclear facilities, whilst significant monies will be available for exploiting renewables (including hydrogen). However, the Ukraine situation has made me extremely cynical of media and political news. Then you should look at what the motives are for the media to push false narratives and why that self same media is so heavily pushing the netzero agenda. Maybe start with who owns and who funds it.
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W12 31 May 22 11.40am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

However, the Ukraine situation has made me extremely cynical of media and political news.

Then you should look at what the motives are for the media to push false narratives and why that self same media is so heavily pushing the netzero agenda.

Maybe start with who owns and who funds it.

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matthau South Croydon 31 May 22 11.51am
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BlueJay UK 31 May 22 12.14pm
On Russin State TV Alexei Zhuravlev, member of Russia's parliament, threatens 2 million Ukrainians with annihilation, describing them as 'incurable' Nazis who will never be convinced to support Russia's war. Got to love the perpetual focus on the apparent bias of our media, when we have actual close putin allies and MPs talking about their neighbours in such a way. As I said all along, and as this fellow conveniently confirms, all you need to do to be considered a Ukranian 'neo nazi' in the eyes of Russia is to opppose their invasion. Edited by BlueJay (31 May 2022 12.27pm)
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UK 31 May 22 12.14pm

On Russin State TV Alexei Zhuravlev, member of Russia's parliament, threatens 2 million Ukrainians with annihilation, describing them as 'incurable' Nazis who will never be convinced to support Russia's war.

Got to love the perpetual focus on the apparent bias of our media, when we have actual close putin allies and MPs talking about their neighbours in such a way. As I said all along, and as this fellow conveniently confirms, all you need to do to be considered a Ukranian 'neo nazi' in the eyes of Russia is to opppose their invasion.

Edited by BlueJay (31 May 2022 12.27pm)

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Stirlingsays 31 May 22 12.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Of course, it isn't. That though is not what the primary odour that permeates your constant posts. If you were indifferent, you wouldn't respond. Sometimes I don't, there are often far better things to do. I will respond to your disfigurements and delusions as and when I can be bothered. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 May 22 12.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course, it isn't. That though is not what the primary odour that permeates your constant posts. If you were indifferent, you wouldn't respond.

Sometimes I don't, there are often far better things to do.

I will respond to your disfigurements and delusions as and when I can be bothered.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 31 May 22 1.16pm
Interesting series of programmes on Radio 4 this week about London banking. It was on around midday yesterday, but google "money laundering on Radio 4" and I'm sure you'll find it on play-back or whatever. It started yesterday with the aftermath of WW2 and how banks (who were short of money) started to set up off-shore banking systems to by-pass Regulations and accept Russian money,...as a LOAN. The story progresses day by day, until (I presume) we reach Friday's programme about the current situation where Russian money and money 'stolen' from developing countries are run through the British banking system and some of this is used to finance politics. You have to remember this is the BBC, so whilst the historical stuff might be close to the truth, you might wonder how much they hold-back when talking about today's situation. Listen and make up your own minds - sorry I can't find the link (yet) GOT IT !!! How to steal a Trillion [Link] Edited by Forest Hillbilly (31 May 2022 1.21pm) I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 31 May 22 1.16pm

Interesting series of programmes on Radio 4 this week about London banking. It was on around midday yesterday, but google "money laundering on Radio 4" and I'm sure you'll find it on play-back or whatever.
It started yesterday with the aftermath of WW2 and how banks (who were short of money) started to set up off-shore banking systems to by-pass Regulations and accept Russian money,...as a LOAN.

The story progresses day by day, until (I presume) we reach Friday's programme about the current situation where Russian money and money 'stolen' from developing countries are run through the British banking system and some of this is used to finance politics.

You have to remember this is the BBC, so whilst the historical stuff might be close to the truth, you might wonder how much they hold-back when talking about today's situation.

Listen and make up your own minds - sorry I can't find the link (yet)

GOT IT !!!
How to steal a Trillion
[Link]

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (31 May 2022 1.21pm)

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W12 31 May 22 2.19pm
[Link] This is not just about Ukraine and Russia. These is no replacement for that amount of oil in the European economy so this is effectively economic suicide for Europe. Instead of accepting responsibility they will just blame Putin for all of their economic policy failures.
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W12 31 May 22 2.19pm

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This is not just about Ukraine and Russia. These is no replacement for that amount of oil in the European economy so this is effectively economic suicide for Europe. Instead of accepting responsibility they will just blame Putin for all of their economic policy failures.

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Stirlingsays 31 May 22 2.40pm
Originally posted by W12 [Link] This is not just about Ukraine and Russia. These is no replacement for that amount of oil in the European economy so this is effectively economic suicide for Europe. Instead of accepting responsibility they will just blame Putin for all of their economic policy failures. Agreed. It isn't the elites making the decisions who will struggle to feed their children. It won't be these elites whose elderly have to battle through winter to stay alive. If they had to suffer they wouldn't do it. But they will justify others suffering for their 'morality'.....which amount to covering for their own bad past policies. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2022 2.42pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 May 22 2.40pm

Originally posted by W12

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Agreed.

It isn't the elites making the decisions who will struggle to feed their children. It won't be these elites whose elderly have to battle through winter to stay alive.

If they had to suffer they wouldn't do it.

But they will justify others suffering for their 'morality'.....which amount to covering for their own bad past policies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2022 2.42pm)

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BlueJay UK 31 May 22 5.00pm
"Vladimir Putin's enemy Alexei Navalny facing extra 15 years in prison over new charges In March, Vladimir Putin's foe Alexei Navalny - who nearly lost his life when he was poisoned with Novichok - was sentenced to nine years of strict regime prison for 'fraud and insulting the court’. In a Twitter thread today, the anti-corruption campaigner said more charges have been filed against him which could see him spend another 15 years behind bars. Prosecutors allege he "created an extremist group to incite hatred against officials and oligarchs", he said."
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UK 31 May 22 5.00pm

"Vladimir Putin's enemy Alexei Navalny facing extra 15 years in prison over new charges

In March, Vladimir Putin's foe Alexei Navalny - who nearly lost his life when he was poisoned with Novichok - was sentenced to nine years of strict regime prison for 'fraud and insulting the court’.

In a Twitter thread today, the anti-corruption campaigner said more charges have been filed against him which could see him spend another 15 years behind bars.

Prosecutors allege he "created an extremist group to incite hatred against officials and oligarchs", he said."

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Stirlingsays 31 May 22 6.23pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Interesting series of programmes on Radio 4 this week about London banking. It was on around midday yesterday, but google "money laundering on Radio 4" and I'm sure you'll find it on play-back or whatever. It started yesterday with the aftermath of WW2 and how banks (who were short of money) started to set up off-shore banking systems to by-pass Regulations and accept Russian money,...as a LOAN. The story progresses day by day, until (I presume) we reach Friday's programme about the current situation where Russian money and money 'stolen' from developing countries are run through the British banking system and some of this is used to finance politics. You have to remember this is the BBC, so whilst the historical stuff might be close to the truth, you might wonder how much they hold-back when talking about today's situation. Listen and make up your own minds - sorry I can't find the link (yet) GOT IT !!! How to steal a Trillion [Link] Edited by Forest Hillbilly (31 May 2022 1.21pm) Fully agree. As a country we should never have opened up so fully to money laundering. It's like the black market, it's always going to be there....and I fully appreciate that financial systems are full of unethical 'sell my own grandmother' types. However, during and since the Blair years it literally become a standing joke. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2022 6.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 May 22 6.23pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

You have to remember this is the BBC, so whilst the historical stuff might be close to the truth, you might wonder how much they hold-back when talking about today's situation.

Listen and make up your own minds - sorry I can't find the link (yet)

GOT IT !!!
How to steal a Trillion
[Link]

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (31 May 2022 1.21pm)

Fully agree.

As a country we should never have opened up so fully to money laundering.

It's like the black market, it's always going to be there....and I fully appreciate that financial systems are full of unethical 'sell my own grandmother' types. However, during and since the Blair years it literally become a standing joke.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2022 6.24pm)

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