So again, your view is that a raped woman is a child murderer if she takes a morning after pill. It's not about the frequently, it's comment on the extent to which you feel the government should have complete control over an individual in such a bad spot. Cheering on the erosion of others freedoms to that extent, and you may as well be cheering on the same for your own too, because the topic of the day is irrelevant in comparison to the level of control over the individual sought by government.

Women can get pregnant on birth control too by the way, so by your logic these women should also be forced to give birth in all instances. Seems like you desire rather extreme control over womens lives. Why is a sensible stance of say a few weeks more offensive to you than forcing women at this eary stage to give birth in situations where its clearly better that they have a say?

Edited by BlueJay (24 Jun 2022 8.59pm)

Considering what has just happened, I'm not sure that we could say that something that was only overturned in 2003 [Link] is never going to happen' . It would certainly be of interest to some States, which is precisely why Roe vs Wade has been overturned.

As for same sex marriage, while I'd put that in a different category as it's not private conduct (and I think a society should decide on what is santioned as a marriage) it even opens the door for revisiting Loving v. Virginia [Link] if in any State views that as something they do not want. I'll admit it sounds far fetched but when precedent set in that very same decade is overturned as has now here, I'm not sure that we can rule out State challenges at some point.

It was the 60's also where the Supreme Court decided that it was unconstitutional for the government to prohibit married couples from using birth control. This is an area Thomas specifically said he wanted to reconsider. People are forgetting that the puritanical religious aspect to certain outlooks has never gone away, it's just been drowned out for a time by the equally wacky far left [Link] In several States there have been efforts and court challenges to in various ways restrict Emergency contraception, which lets remember results in lower aboriton rates. Lots of these beliefs go hand in hand in a sense.

I'm not saying any of the above will happen, just that this ruling, and its accompanying wording (Justice Thomas calling these other rulings an 'error' that should be corrected and also Roe vs Wade sets a new precedent) intentionally open them up as movements that previously would not have gained traction, and now may well be fast-tracked. It pays to remember that it's not about what the nation thinks, rather any individual State and how the Surpeme Court acts on that.

In a reasoned society variance in these areas wouldn't be terrible thing, but I see problems at both extremes. With too easy access in some States and a flippant attitude to life, and at the other end the 'at conception' crowd and the health and real world implications on freedom and privacy that can emerge with that. I fear this will now push even further into another guns rights 'all or nothing' type issue, where any reasonable step is increasingly seen as giving ground to an enemy, rather than considering the pros and cons of its actual impact. For all it's faults, Americans are big on their freedoms and government keeping out of their lives. I'm not sure that some States overnight having absolute control over the individual on this issue in all circumstances is a good thing.

Edited by BlueJay (25 Jun 2022 1.23am)

Very sad day for the USA. Even if completely predictable, as soon as Trump bought off the "pro-life" lobby by promising to stuff the SCOTUS with political Justices.

What a complete shambles that country has become. Technologically highly advanced. Socially extremely backward.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Criminalising abortion won't stop abortion it'll just force it underground into unsafe and unregulated methods.

This ruling is going to kill more people than it saves. Sensible regulation is the answer not this partisan nonsense that seems to now be our modern political discourse.

Well, as they say, it could only happen in America...in 2022
Am I surprised? No. Maybe The Handmaids Tale is the future for some US states. String em up, send em back, why not re-introduce slavery?

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The land of the free?

This is from the BBC:

The reversal of a long-standing precedent has also raised fears for other rights decided upon by the Supreme Court in the past.

Justice Clarence Thomas, in his opinion, wrote: "In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell" - referencing three landmark decisions of the past on the right to contraception, the repeal of anti-sodomy laws, and the legalisation of same-sex marriage respectively.

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