No one said it would be a smooth ride Dan. When one make a decision based on bigger principles, one has to accept the rough with the smooth.

Would you at least wait until something bad actually happens before you panic?

See I do understand your long term aspirations from this. I don’t think they’ll ever come to pass but I least see where you and Matov etc are coming from.

What no one (not you peasants on here ) but the real cheerleaders and politicians behind Brexit have ever satisfactorily answered is how do people and businesses get over the real life next day, weeks and months shock of a ‘no deal’? Someone earlier on this thread said that businesses should be prepared already. Fine - but prepared for what? They still don’t know what their trading environment is going to look like in 10 WEEKS time. They don’t know if or what tariffs will be applied yet and how much costs will go up. Exactly what paperwork they need to get in order. Whether supplies could be delayed due to hold ups at ports and airports.

This was going to be difficult enough anyway, let alone right in the middle of a global pandemic. It’s just mind bogglingly stupid.

The EU could have given cameron a few sweeteners and we wouldn't be here now. Can it really all be the fault of the UK. Do you know what cameron actually wanted? I suspect not even wissie does.

We come out better, in the long run, because the EU is essentially a moribound organisation that no longer makes sense in this modern world. When it first came into being, it made sense. But in a world in which we all walk around with devices in our pockets that enable us to commuicate with anybody around the world?

I always think that one of the biggest ironies about this is that the strongest arguement for the EU is actually made from a far-right position. Europe for the Europeans. Expand the EU to include Russia and then look to ring fence it from the rest of the world. That EU could feed, clothe and power itself. It simply has no need of outsiders. Encourage Europeans to start having children again, remove borders to encourage more growth out to the East. Strengethen its Christian identity and look to remove all forms of Islamic influence. The only valid way of opposing globalisation.

And yet it is the Left who push for what is an archaic and badly run institution that wishes to centralise more and more control. The harm done to Souther European nations alone by the Euro should have every genuine Left winger up in absolute arms and calling for its immediate removal.

But nothing what so ever.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Agree wholly with this.

The Governor of the Bank of Ireland is worried. Let's hope the politicians listen.

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