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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Oct 16 4.45pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Have to disagree...we're now in a better financial state then we were back then (even though its still a dire one) and we'd simply be in far worse debt than we are now with a number of the projects started back then potentially coming to fruition end by the time we pull out of the EU...we'd have lost momentum rather than gearing it up...I think most on here are in agreement that now is the right time to release the schackles so to speak though.

For me its all about timing and this is just right to address/head off BREXIT in whatever form it takes rather than having done what you've suggested a few years back and then be left with no plan B...(now where have I heard that before?)

Edited by Lyons550 (03 Oct 2016 4.27pm)

In all fairness, leaving the EU in a way that appeals to many of the exit voters is going to destroy the housing market anyhow. That half a million or so migrants have been paying off buy to let and second/third mortgages... Take them out of the equation and you'll have a lot of rental property that's 'surplus to requirement', and a lot of people having to find mortgage payments for multiple empty properties and defaulting.

Ultimately they'll have to dump property from portfolios, and that will then hit the wider property market (and put a lot of people into negative equity).

I don't think there is a viable way of avoiding that either. Could soon be cheaper for the state to buy up property that's defaulted on than build housing.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 03 Oct 16 4.54pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

In all fairness, leaving the EU in a way that appeals to many of the exit voters is going to destroy the housing market anyhow. That half a million or so migrants have been paying off buy to let and second/third mortgages... Take them out of the equation and you'll have a lot of rental property that's 'surplus to requirement', and a lot of people having to find mortgage payments for multiple empty properties and defaulting.

Ultimately they'll have to dump property from portfolios, and that will then hit the wider property market (and put a lot of people into negative equity).

I don't think there is a viable way of avoiding that either. Could soon be cheaper for the state to buy up property that's defaulted on than build housing.

None of that will happen in a hundred years in the South East, never mind the next few.

Then you have northern councils selling off council houses for £1, as no one will move in to them. If they're selling the stock for £1 they'll never be buying ones that are defaulted on for a much higher cost.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 03 Oct 16 5.00pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

In all fairness, leaving the EU in a way that appeals to many of the exit voters is going to destroy the housing market anyhow. That half a million or so migrants have been paying off buy to let and second/third mortgages... Take them out of the equation and you'll have a lot of rental property that's 'surplus to requirement', and a lot of people having to find mortgage payments for multiple empty properties and defaulting.

Ultimately they'll have to dump property from portfolios, and that will then hit the wider property market (and put a lot of people into negative equity).

I don't think there is a viable way of avoiding that either. Could soon be cheaper for the state to buy up property that's defaulted on than build housing.

Yeah but on the other hand Jamie,when there is a glut of most things,prices tend to come down which if that happens in the private rental market,that can only be a good thing.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 03 Oct 16 5.08pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

About the only thing I agree with nick is about social housing.
Where I live in North Bedfordshire there are s*** loads of housing being built.
But none for social housing,prices start at about £350.000, ridiculous amount of money for families on low income.
Housing associations should be given a certain amount each year from central government for the building of more social housing.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Oct 16 5.15pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Yeah that's all very well nick,bt you need builders to build houses there is a certain skill set needed.
You can't just take
people off benefits and give them a trowel and say there you go.
I know loads and loads of builders,not one of them is out of work.
What we need are more apprentice builders,instead of the last 20 years or so saying kids should all go to university.
Not everyone is academic in fact half the people who are there now probably shouldn't be there.

True, but apprentices can be trained on the job.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 03 Oct 16 5.16pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

About the only thing I agree with nick is about social housing.
Where I live in North Bedfordshire there are s*** loads of housing being built.
But none for social housing,prices start at about £350.000,
ridiculous amount of money for families on low income.
Housing associations should be given a certain amount each year from central government for the building of more social housing.

Well unless councils feel like building them and taking the losses on them too, you'll never find a house builder that will.

Affordable housing is one of the stupidest phrases ever created. What they need to have is a mechanism that means you have to move out of council housing once you earn more than x amount, to free up stock, rather than sell them off cheaply to people who can now afford the market rate.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Oct 16 5.17pm

Originally posted by elgrande

About the only thing I agree with nick is about social housing.
Where I live in North Bedfordshire there are s*** loads of housing being built.
But none for social housing,prices start at about £350.000, ridiculous amount of money for families on low income.
Housing associations should be given a certain amount each year from central government for the building of more social housing.

Why housing association and not council?

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 03 Oct 16 5.22pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Why housing association and not council?

Because most councils sold most of their housing stock HA,s

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Oct 16 7.53pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Because most councils sold most of their housing stock HA,s

We're talking about new builds aren't we?

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 03 Oct 16 9.19pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

We're talking about new builds aren't we?

Most new social housing now are housing associations

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Oct 16 9.45pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Most new social housing now are housing associations

Yes we've ascertained this. I think social housing should be under local authority control. As should schools.

 

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.TUX. Flag 04 Oct 16 5.54am

Originally posted by Lyons550

Have to disagree...we're now in a better financial state then we were back then (even though its still a dire one) and we'd simply be in far worse debt than we are now with a number of the projects started back then potentially coming to fruition end by the time we pull out of the EU...we'd have lost momentum rather than gearing it up...I think most on here are in agreement that now is the right time to release the schackles so to speak though.

For me its all about timing and this is just right to address/head off BREXIT in whatever form it takes rather than having done what you've suggested a few years back and then be left with no plan B...(now where have I heard that before?)

Edited by Lyons550 (03 Oct 2016 4.27pm)

6 (or so) years of austerity measures yet we're still in a ''dire state''? That really should tell you all you need to know.
Austerity measures have done nothing less than add to the wealth of those who caused the crisis in the first place at the expense of the 99%.
Worse still, they've been allowed to carry on as though nothing ever happened. What then? More austerity?



 


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