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 Spiderman  Horsham 27 Sep 20 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Isn't brexit great? Just look what its doing for Kent, the 'Garden of England' Actually not a garden so much as a giant lorry-park. And to get there you can apply for a special pass-port after a few hours form-filling. At the barrier you speak 'brexit means brexit' into their e intercomm it only costs 10 euros (sterling not accepted). And it miraculously lifts recognising a true brexiteer. Now you are completely in control.......
The M20 has been a giant lorry park for many years
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| Matov 16 Oct 20 2.47pm |
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Trade talks are over... Part of me is fuming. We have wasted so much time when this outcome was inevitable from the start. Why did we even bother sitting down with them in the first place? But all water under the bridge now. Brexit is finally happening in a real sense come January 1st. Yes! Really pleased. Happy days!
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Oct 20 2.58pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Trade talks are over... Part of me is fuming. We have wasted so much time when this outcome was inevitable from the start. Why did we even bother sitting down with them in the first place? But all water under the bridge now. Brexit is finally happening in a real sense come January 1st. Yes! Really pleased. Happy days! Agreed I do think we will have a deal one day but post 2021. For now the politicians and Eurocracts are happy to cut their nose off to spite their own face. Macron would rather have no access to our waters than to accept we control them. Has he asked the French fishermen about this? Surely something is better than nothing. Apparently quite a few elections next year around Europe my guess is by then the politicians will be more ready to do a deal with us before they face their angry voters.
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| DanH SW2 16 Oct 20 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Trade talks are over... Part of me is fuming. We have wasted so much time when this outcome was inevitable from the start. Why did we even bother sitting down with them in the first place? But all water under the bridge now. Brexit is finally happening in a real sense come January 1st. Yes! Really pleased. Happy days! Wait until the knock on effects become clear. The last thing our economy needs right now is even further disruption to stop businesses being able to function efficiently.
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| davenotamonkey 16 Oct 20 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Trade talks are over... Part of me is fuming. We have wasted so much time when this outcome was inevitable from the start. Why did we even bother sitting down with them in the first place? But all water under the bridge now. Brexit is finally happening in a real sense come January 1st. Yes! Really pleased. Happy days!
As you say, so much time engaged with the EU running down the clock with bad faith, intransigence and utterly unreasonable demands no country should accept except under terms of surrender in war. Screw them - I'm very happy for us to take our £90bn/year trade deficit elsewhere. How will we manage importing non-EU goods without the added surcharge levied by the EU customs union. The EU have shot themselves in the foot, thinking they can control us even after we've left - it's very clear they are complete control freaks, and resent any nation having an alternative to their bureaucratic hegemony.
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| davenotamonkey 16 Oct 20 3.15pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Wait until the knock on effects become clear. The last thing our economy needs right now is even further disruption to stop businesses being able to function efficiently. I agree. Having the EU control how we structure our economy and economic competitiveness, under rules enforced by their own political court would be a disaster. At a time when we need to show flexbility in kickstarting the economy and supporting our industries, the last thing we need is the vice-like grip of EU control over their nearest economic competitor.
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| Matov 16 Oct 20 3.40pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
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| DanH SW2 16 Oct 20 4.03pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
I agree. Having the EU control how we structure our economy and economic competitiveness, under rules enforced by their own political court would be a disaster. At a time when we need to show flexbility in kickstarting the economy and supporting our industries, the last thing we need is the vice-like grip of EU control over their nearest economic competitor. So what are your suggestions for the thousands upon thousands of businesses whose supply chains are going to be f*cked overnight? Edited by DanH (16 Oct 2020 4.03pm)
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| davenotamonkey 16 Oct 20 4.03pm |
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"We also acknowledge that the UK would like a certain amount of independence" The EU in a nutshell. You either have independence or you don't. You can't be half pregnant, you can't be half members of the EU. Complete control freaks.
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| DanH SW2 16 Oct 20 4.05pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
It's not though is it? It's a woolly statement steeped in idealism, not grounded in any reality of what it exactly means, especially in the short term. Edited by DanH (16 Oct 2020 4.05pm)
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| Matov 16 Oct 20 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
It's not though is it? It's a woolly statement steeped in idealism, not grounded in any reality of what it exactly means, especially in the short term. Edited by DanH (16 Oct 2020 4.05pm) All economies are going to need to be kicked started come Spring 2021. And the UK need to be as free as possible to make the decisions that are best for it. Not having to take into account what might be best for 27 other countries. Because if you think our economie is in trouble then compared to the Souther European states, we are in clover. We control our own economy, can borrow money cheaply, can react quickly to changing circumstances and generally steer our own course. What can Greece do? Or Italy? Or Spain? They cannot do anything. Utterly dependendent on what the Germans decide. We are all facing a difficult few years to come due to Covid. That is the point. Everybody is going to suffer. And being outside of the EU gives us a much better chance of adapting far quicker to the new world than inside it. Edited by Matov (16 Oct 2020 4.17pm)
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| davenotamonkey 16 Oct 20 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
So what are your suggestions for the thousands upon thousands of businesses whose supply chains are going to be f*cked overnight? Edited by DanH (16 Oct 2020 4.03pm) Ah, yes. The "won't someone think of the children?" approach. If only we'd cared as much about the sectoral, societal and constitutional damage our membership has inflicted over the years. 1. If the EU wish to further politicise trade by making the point of preventing export of goods to the UK (not even sure how they could do that), then there's not a lot we can do other than... let's see: seek alternative suppliers that are not bound to the political whims of a supposed "trade union" with delusions of superstatehood. I don't see any signals from the UK that they will block imports from the EU. 2. If a business has not been working on contingencies for this eventuality since the 2016 referendum vote, and will be "f*cked overnight", I would suggest they aren't particularly robust as a business, and a competitor capable of acting on non-glacial timescales would be rightly better off in competition against them. 3. I would rather not put a price on the ability of the UK to conduct our own affairs without econding into law the interference, legal oversight and malicious agenda from an economic competitor. This is all entirely academic though. Depressingly, it's just a ruse. You'll have your beloved deal, and we'll be subject to all manner of EU control mechanisms that the Canadians, South Koreans or Japanese would never even dream of accepting.
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