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Tom-the-eagle  Croydon 05 Sep 20 12.25pm |
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 Matov 07 Sep 20 8.25am |
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Could be an interesting week. Lots of sabre rattling going on and chatter this morning about the possibility of talks collapsing possibly by the end of it. Fingers crossed because I simply do not believe a deal that is good for the UK is possible with the EU for a whole raft of reasons and that a clean break now is for the best but I still don't fully trust Johnson to deliver. But let's see. Fingers crossed.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Sep 20 8.58am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Could be an interesting week. Lots of sabre rattling going on and chatter this morning about the possibility of talks collapsing possibly by the end of it. Fingers crossed because I simply do not believe a deal that is good for the UK is possible with the EU for a whole raft of reasons and that a clean break now is for the best but I still don't fully trust Johnson to deliver. But let's see. Fingers crossed.
Agreed. I would prefer a deal but not a surrender. I hope that the EU are posturing because if we leave without a deal I think our position will strengthen and the EU may regret not having made concessions. Fishing is a good example. Our fleet is now so small they cannot fulfil the quota from our waters so there is room for the EU fleets to take that slack up. So what is on offer is a smaller catch for the EU or nothing if it is no deal. The EU fishermen may complain as much as they like but something is better than nothing. Before the lockdown Boris was in a strong position but since then he done so many U turns that when he says he will stand firm against the EU I suspect they don't believe him. And that is the issue if the EU think we will fold they may find out too late that we haven't. As for Boris the public are watching if you sell us down the river pack your bags.
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 georgenorman 07 Sep 20 10.00am |
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We shouldn't have the EU 'taking up the slack'. We should let the fishing stocks grow and replenish themselves and in the meantime let our fishing industry grow. People and business will return to fishing once EU control has gone. We are an island surrounded by water and fish - fishing should be a substantive British industry.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Sep 20 10.19am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
We shouldn't have the EU 'taking up the slack'. We should let the fishing stocks grow and replenish themselves and in the meantime let our fishing industry grow. People and business will return to fishing once EU control has gone. We are an island surrounded by water and fish - fishing should be a substantive British industry. I agree with that just making the point there is wiggle room. I guess it will take a few years for our fishing industry to rebuild itself so while it is the EU could take up the slack on a sliding scale as our boat numbers goes up theirs come down. As for quotas I was assuming that they are set at a level to allow the stocks to rebuild but if not then yes we need lower quotas.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 07 Sep 20 12.17pm |
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The UK reneging on the Irish protocol, negotiated by himself, how unsurprising. As for Mrs May, it was her team that did not sign up to it, not Johnson, he is wriggling on his own deal. An international treaty, according to Johnson, is a doodle in a margin, about as valid as Hitler's were. And like his extraordinary catalogue of u-turns, about as long lasting.
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| davenotamonkey 09 Sep 20 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK reneging on the Irish protocol, negotiated by himself, how unsurprising. As for Mrs May, it was her team that did not sign up to it, not Johnson, he is wriggling on his own deal. An international treaty, according to Johnson, is a doodle in a margin, about as valid as Hitler's were. And like his extraordinary catalogue of u-turns, about as long lasting. Oh dear. Didn't the EU read the UK's legal implementation of the Withdrawal Agreement properly, before holding their confirmatory vote? They were fully aware of the UK legislation passed to enact the WA. If they didn't like what was in it, perhaps they should have said something at the time? Why didn't the EU Commission flag this particular Clause and insist it be admended as a precondition for the confirmatory vote on the EU side? The EU control freaks really don't losing control, do they? I really hope all this isn't for show, and that we really do walk away. Frankly, as far as I can see, any agreement with the EU at this stage is merely opening avenues into continued interference in our governance - with an aim to reducing our competiveness and ability to act as an independent nation. Until they offer (and indeed we reconcile ourselves to) a bare-bones Canadian-style FTA (as was offered before), then we should look elsewhere to spend our huge trade deficit. Ah, yes. And well done for slipping Hitler in there. You win Godwin's Law this week.
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| Cpfc1861 09 Sep 20 3.17pm |
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anybody think Farage and his party will gain momentum considering Johnson will be losing support all over the country and I cant see the north going back to labour not to mention essex and parts of kent would never be labour and seem to be disillusioned with the Tories to. I know UKIP and the brexit party were very popular in essex.
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| davenotamonkey 11 Sep 20 10.08am |
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Konichiwa!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Sep 20 10.25am |
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Now that's what I'm talking about. Correction, how can this be true I thought trade deals took 7 years? Edited by Badger11 (11 Sep 2020 10.26am)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 11 Sep 20 11.16am |
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Try not to get carried away. It is only replacing what we already had. The chances of Japanese consumers buying into British are remote, they don't even buy their own stuff if they can help it.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 11 Sep 20 11.29am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Try not to get carried away. It is only replacing what we already had. The chances of Japanese consumers buying into British are remote, they don't even buy their own stuff if they can help it.
The one thing trade deals cannot guarantee is what business and the consumers will do. New Zealand signed a trade deal with China and within 6 months had done a level of business the negotiators expected would take 10 years so lets wait and see how successful the deal is. I hope this is the first of many.
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