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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jul 20 10.17pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You may be touching a nerve that the public don't really want to leave but it is too late. They can move on, as we have seen with the virus package, without the perpetual UK block on progress.
Or, you and he might be talking a lot of old nonsense. That ship has sailed. For god sake move on.
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Spiderman Horsham 23 Jul 20 10.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I did, because comparing chalk and cheese never produces anything other than hot air. Brexit itself won't be cancelled. That we will join a reformed EU after having undergone our own reforms will, in my opinion, in the fullness of time. This report is the most damning I have ever seen into how corrupt and unrepresentative our present system is and will be, I suspect, a watershed moment in our political life. It may well take a few other earthquake events to actually shake the apathy out but this is will when it be seen to have all started. To repeat what I wrote:- "This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative." Anything that has undermined our democracy like this cannot and must not be tolerated. That sentiment ought to be shared by everyone, whatever their personal political viewpoint. You sound like a sad bitter old man. Let it go, put your feet up in your SW bubble and enjoy life. We voted to leave, we are leaving time to give it a rest.
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Spiderman Horsham 23 Jul 20 10.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I did, because comparing chalk and cheese never produces anything other than hot air. Brexit itself won't be cancelled. That we will join a reformed EU after having undergone our own reforms will, in my opinion, in the fullness of time. This report is the most damning I have ever seen into how corrupt and unrepresentative our present system is and will be, I suspect, a watershed moment in our political life. It may well take a few other earthquake events to actually shake the apathy out but this is will when it be seen to have all started. To repeat what I wrote:- "This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative." Anything that has undermined our democracy like this cannot and must not be tolerated. That sentiment ought to be shared by everyone, whatever their personal political viewpoint. Makes me chuckle when people like you talk about undermining our democracy
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steeleye20 Croydon 24 Jul 20 9.50am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Where do you think that money is coming from? It isn't even enough money anyway. You seem to be under the impression that the EU are a cohesive happy family. Yet the Italian debt crises will soon arise and it's in the balance whether it'll still be in the EU in five years.....Spain as well. The EU is like any family often a pain in the proverbials. But it is acting cohesively here and those most affected by covid-19 are the beneficiaries. It would not have been possible with the UK still as a member. Johnson has nothing left but the 'mighty' union but nobody is listening to him or the UK.
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Badger11 Beckenham 24 Jul 20 10.01am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The EU is like any family often a pain in the proverbials. But it is acting cohesively here and those most affected by covid-19 are the beneficiaries. It would not have been possible with the UK still as a member. Johnson has nothing left but the 'mighty' union but nobody is listening to him or the UK. I think you are assessment of the EU is correct, for now. We were definitely out of step with some countries although I think others were content to let us take the flack and still have realised that now we have left they have no one to protect their interests. In time you may see more dissension. As for the union Johnson is correct the Scots may all be going braveheart at the moment but they are ignoring the fact that it is the UK taxpayer that has subsidised them during this crisis. As for We Jimmy she has played a blinder, constantly criticising the government over the timing of measures which she then quietly introduces herself several weeks later. Edited by Badger11 (24 Jul 2020 10.01am)
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Eaglecoops CR3 24 Jul 20 10.38am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think you are assessment of the EU is correct, for now. We were definitely out of step with some countries although I think others were content to let us take the flack and still have realised that now we have left they have no one to protect their interests. In time you may see more dissension. As for the union Johnson is correct the Scots may all be going braveheart at the moment but they are ignoring the fact that it is the UK taxpayer that has subsidised them during this crisis. As for We Jimmy she has played a blinder, constantly criticising the government over the timing of measures which she then quietly introduces herself several weeks later. Edited by Badger11 (24 Jul 2020 10.01am) Yep she is a bit of an old crank(y). Very smart though by waiting to see the impact of England's responses and then implementing the same if it works or moaning about it if it doesn't work. Let's see how many plaudits there are when support from London drops off and she has to make financial decisions out of a limited budget.
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IMMER PALACE BIELEFELD 24 Jul 20 9.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I did, because comparing chalk and cheese never produces anything other than hot air. Brexit itself won't be cancelled. That we will join a reformed EU after having undergone our own reforms will, in my opinion, in the fullness of time. This report is the most damning I have ever seen into how corrupt and unrepresentative our present system is and will be, I suspect, a watershed moment in our political life. It may well take a few other earthquake events to actually shake the apathy out but this is will when it be seen to have all started. To repeat what I wrote:- "This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative." Anything that has undermined our democracy like this cannot and must not be tolerated. That sentiment ought to be shared by everyone, whatever their personal political viewpoint. The sentence in red makes no sense.
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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 24 Jul 20 10.46pm | |
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Originally posted by IMMER PALACE
The sentence in red makes no sense. Of course it doesn't. Did you not see who wrote it?
Edited by palace_in_frogland (24 Jul 2020 10.47pm)
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Spiderman Horsham 25 Jul 20 10.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What a surprise! Having spent weeks away from here I come back to see what the Brexiteers are saying about the most damning report I can ever remember on Government incompetence and what do I find? Almost nothing. As pointed out at the time this Government deliberately held back publishing this report as it feared it's impact on the 2019 election result. Now it allows it's publication shortly before the summer recess in the hope it will be in the long grass again by the Autumn. My argument for years has been that Russian interference in such a close referendum result in 2016 could well have been sufficient to tip the balance. Now we know that the reason the Government hasn't seen any interference is not that there wasn't any. It was because they weren't looking. Brexit ought, of course, be cancelled. It's what anyone with a scrap of integrity would argue for, whatever their personal opinion on it's merits. That it won't be, tells us all we need to know about the integrity of those pulling the strings of the current government. Whether public opinion on this will be strong enough to ensure action is an open question. Brexit weariness is a reality. Not though with me. This report is a turning point on the long road to see this stupidity reversed and, indeed, in the need to see our democratic system overhauled and modernised to ensure it becomes truly representative. Watch the Murdoch documentary and let us know if he and his media outlets influenced 1997 election result and subsequent issues since. Bear in mind that strong suspicion that his 2nd wife was a Chinese spy
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Matov 25 Jul 20 10.34pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The EU is like any family often a pain in the proverbials.
And a reaction, at least on the part of many of the southern European nations, to wide scale corruption. For example, one of the glaring contradictions I witnessed was a wide spread hostility towards the EU from many people in Croatia I know to the 70% of them who voted for Croatia to join. Never made any sense to me until somebody pointed out that most Croatians have more trust in Brussels than they do to their own system of government in Zagreb. And I suspect the same is true for Italy, Greece and so on. This is an aspect of life in the UK, and probably most of northen Europe I suspect, that truly sets us apart from the majority of other nations. Corruption is so wide spread in many countries, and on so many levels, that even something as s*** as the EU can be seen as more trustworthy than their own politicians.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Badger11 Beckenham 25 Jul 20 11.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Watch the Murdoch documentary and let us know if he and his media outlets influenced 1997 election result and subsequent issues since. Bear in mind that strong suspicion that his 2nd wife was a Chinese spy It's a matter of record that Tony Blair openly courted Murdoch and the Sun and got them to switch from supporting the Tories. So you could say an Australian (at the time) interfered in the UK electoral process just like George Soros has been doing in the last few years. I don't like it but it doesn't change my voting preferences.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 26 Jul 20 3.38am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
And a reaction, at least on the part of many of the southern European nations, to wide scale corruption. For example, one of the glaring contradictions I witnessed was a wide spread hostility towards the EU from many people in Croatia I know to the 70% of them who voted for Croatia to join. Never made any sense to me until somebody pointed out that most Croatians have more trust in Brussels than they do to their own system of government in Zagreb. And I suspect the same is true for Italy, Greece and so on. This is an aspect of life in the UK, and probably most of northen Europe I suspect, that truly sets us apart from the majority of other nations. Corruption is so wide spread in many countries, and on so many levels, that even something as s*** as the EU can be seen as more trustworthy than their own politicians.
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