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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 09 Apr 15 10.39am |
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Just to bring us back on topic, here's that Farage tree again...
When did Milliband join UKIP?
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 susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 09 Apr 15 10.51am |
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This is a better one Nick. Its a picture of Ed after the upcoming election results!!
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Quote nickgusset at 08 Apr 2015 11.59pm
Just to bring us back on topic, here's that Farage tree again...
When did Milliband join UKIP?
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Quote nickgusset at 09 Apr 2015 10.39am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Apr 2015 10.35am
Quote nickgusset at 08 Apr 2015 11.59pm
Just to bring us back on topic, here's that Farage tree again...
When did Milliband join UKIP? Been doing wonders for their election campaign over the last few years.
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Quote susmik at 09 Apr 2015 10.51am
This is a better one Nick. Its a picture of Ed after the upcoming election results!! Ironically, the best thing for Ed is arguably the rise in UKIP support, because over all the affect will likely as not be to draw more votes away from the conseravtives than from Labour, particually in swing seats. Whilst UKIP will affect Labour, their impact will mostly be felt by the conservatives. The SNP will dominate labour in Scotland and the error of labour getting mixed up in the whole 'Stay British' fiasco, will see them wiped out - but the SNP will almost certainly back a Labour coallition and never a conservative one. Labour are probably more concerned about the Greens who are dragging votes from both Labour and the Liberal Democrats on a very significant basis. Clegg however will come out of the election looking like he's participated in an inter-prison gangbang as the only 'reciever' for the entire Prison system.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Apr 2015 11.13am
Quote susmik at 09 Apr 2015 10.51am
This is a better one Nick. Its a picture of Ed after the upcoming election results!! Ironically, the best thing for Ed is arguably the rise in UKIP support, because over all the affect will likely as not be to draw more votes away from the conseravtives than from Labour, particually in swing seats. Whilst UKIP will affect Labour, their impact will mostly be felt by the conservatives. The SNP will dominate labour in Scotland and the error of labour getting mixed up in the whole 'Stay British' fiasco, will see them wiped out - but the SNP will almost certainly back a Labour coallition and never a conservative one. Labour are probably more concerned about the Greens who are dragging votes from both Labour and the Liberal Democrats on a very significant basis. Clegg however will come out of the election looking like he's participated in an inter-prison gangbang as the only 'reciever' for the entire Prison system. If Labour touch a SNP coalition to make a government it could pretty much destroy them as a major party in England. The continual complaint that the Scottish make about disaffection with Labour because of regular Tory governments would is small compared to it happening to England.....Scotland is five million people....England is over sixty million. If England.....Which majority wise normally votes Tory is subjected to a Labour government due to Scottish nationalists then the fallout will be significant. Polarization will go up significantly. Labour will lose all but its core support.....I reckon about ten percent vote Labour because of historical family reasons or working class ones......But if Labour form a government due to an SNP coalition....I can see them losing these voters. You don't need to be a Ukip supporter to have considerable problems with Labour doing deals with break away nationalists for power. Labour would pay a significant and lasting price.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 Apr 15 2.31pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 11 Apr 2015 1.32pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Apr 2015 11.13am
Quote susmik at 09 Apr 2015 10.51am
This is a better one Nick. Its a picture of Ed after the upcoming election results!! Ironically, the best thing for Ed is arguably the rise in UKIP support, because over all the affect will likely as not be to draw more votes away from the conseravtives than from Labour, particually in swing seats. Whilst UKIP will affect Labour, their impact will mostly be felt by the conservatives. The SNP will dominate labour in Scotland and the error of labour getting mixed up in the whole 'Stay British' fiasco, will see them wiped out - but the SNP will almost certainly back a Labour coallition and never a conservative one. Labour are probably more concerned about the Greens who are dragging votes from both Labour and the Liberal Democrats on a very significant basis. Clegg however will come out of the election looking like he's participated in an inter-prison gangbang as the only 'reciever' for the entire Prison system. If Labour touch a SNP coalition to make a government it could pretty much destroy them as a major party in England. The continual complaint that the Scottish make about disaffection with Labour because of regular Tory governments would is small compared to it happening to England.....Scotland is five million people....England is over sixty million. If England.....Which majority wise normally votes Tory is subjected to a Labour government due to Scottish nationalists then the fallout will be significant. Polarization will go up significantly. Labour will lose all but its core support.....I reckon about ten percent vote Labour because of historical family reasons or working class ones......But if Labour form a government due to an SNP coalition....I can see them losing these voters. You don't need to be a Ukip supporter to have considerable problems with Labour doing deals with break away nationalists for power. Labour would pay a significant and lasting price. So would we I am afraid if Labour do get into No10 so lets hope they do not......
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| imbored UK 11 Apr 15 3.10pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 11 Apr 2015 1.32pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 09 Apr 2015 11.13am
Quote susmik at 09 Apr 2015 10.51am
This is a better one Nick. Its a picture of Ed after the upcoming election results!! Ironically, the best thing for Ed is arguably the rise in UKIP support, because over all the affect will likely as not be to draw more votes away from the conseravtives than from Labour, particually in swing seats. Whilst UKIP will affect Labour, their impact will mostly be felt by the conservatives. The SNP will dominate labour in Scotland and the error of labour getting mixed up in the whole 'Stay British' fiasco, will see them wiped out - but the SNP will almost certainly back a Labour coallition and never a conservative one. Labour are probably more concerned about the Greens who are dragging votes from both Labour and the Liberal Democrats on a very significant basis. Clegg however will come out of the election looking like he's participated in an inter-prison gangbang as the only 'reciever' for the entire Prison system. If Labour touch a SNP coalition to make a government it could pretty much destroy them as a major party in England. The continual complaint that the Scottish make about disaffection with Labour because of regular Tory governments would is small compared to it happening to England.....Scotland is five million people....England is over sixty million. If England.....Which majority wise normally votes Tory is subjected to a Labour government due to Scottish nationalists then the fallout will be significant. Polarization will go up significantly. Labour will lose all but its core support.....I reckon about ten percent vote Labour because of historical family reasons or working class ones......But if Labour form a government due to an SNP coalition....I can see them losing these voters. You don't need to be a Ukip supporter to have considerable problems with Labour doing deals with break away nationalists for power. Labour would pay a significant and lasting price. They don't need a coalition with SNP. They could run a minority government with a vote by vote agreement with whatever parties will join them. That is the most likely outcome for the Tories too - a minority government. Not that the election is a waste of time, but a majority looks unlikely so it will come down to who will work with who. Labour or Tory minority government is the most likely outcome. Scotland is still part of the UK and the tactical push in the press to essentially state that their vote should count for nothing is a preemptive attempt to thwart a not unlikely outcome to this election. Edited by imbored (11 Apr 2015 3.47pm)
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| Stirlingsays 11 Apr 15 4.02pm |
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Quote imbored at 11 Apr 2015 3.10pm
They don't need a coalition with SNP. They could run a minority government with a vote by vote agreement with whatever parties will join them. That is the most likely outcome for the Tories too - a minority government. Not that the election is a waste of time, but a majority looks unlikely so it will come down to who will work with who. Labour or Tory minority government is the most likely outcome. Scotland is still part of the UK and the tactical push in the press to essentially state that their vote should count for nothing is a preemptive attempt to thwart a not unlikely outcome to this election. Edited by imbored (11 Apr 2015 3.47pm)
The idea that a minority Labour government can be propped up by break-away nationalists will be carnage to Labour in England. Like I say....not with their ideological core vote but certainly with their historical vote. Those who voted Labour without thinking will certainly take another look once they realize what is happening. The SNP will love it though because it will polarize many in England. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2015 4.04pm)
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| imbored UK 11 Apr 15 4.19pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 11 Apr 2015 4.02pm
Quote imbored at 11 Apr 2015 3.10pm
They don't need a coalition with SNP. They could run a minority government with a vote by vote agreement with whatever parties will join them. That is the most likely outcome for the Tories too - a minority government. Not that the election is a waste of time, but a majority looks unlikely so it will come down to who will work with who. Labour or Tory minority government is the most likely outcome. Scotland is still part of the UK and the tactical push in the press to essentially state that their vote should count for nothing is a preemptive attempt to thwart a not unlikely outcome to this election. Edited by imbored (11 Apr 2015 3.47pm)
The idea that a minority Labour government can be propped up by break-away nationalists will be carnage to Labour in England. Like I say....not with their ideological core vote but certainly with their historical vote. Those who voted Labour without thinking will certainly take another look once they realize what is happening. The SNP will love it though because it will polarize many in England. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2015 4.04pm) It is a small part of the UK, yes, hence it has a much smaller number of seats. That's already something that's factored in. It makes no greater sense to say they these seats should have no worth. In fact clearly that makes no sense. As always, the number of seats will hold the value defined by how necessary they are. A problem with the outcome is a problem with the system. A Lib Dem - Tory coalition sounded ludicrous before it happened. They took a hit because of it and as you say maybe Labour would too. It's unknown as politically they are more closely aligned on many issues. It would depend how many concessions Labour were giving. Those with power and influence should've thought about all of this before the comically one sided No to independence campaign won the day. Edited by imbored (11 Apr 2015 4.58pm)
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| legaleagle 11 Apr 15 5.19pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 11 Apr 2015 4.02pm
Quote imbored at 11 Apr 2015 3.10pm
They don't need a coalition with SNP. They could run a minority government with a vote by vote agreement with whatever parties will join them. That is the most likely outcome for the Tories too - a minority government. Not that the election is a waste of time, but a majority looks unlikely so it will come down to who will work with who. Labour or Tory minority government is the most likely outcome. Scotland is still part of the UK and the tactical push in the press to essentially state that their vote should count for nothing is a preemptive attempt to thwart a not unlikely outcome to this election. Edited by imbored (11 Apr 2015 3.47pm)
The idea that a minority Labour government can be propped up by break-away nationalists will be carnage to Labour in England. Like I say....not with their ideological core vote but certainly with their historical vote. Those who voted Labour without thinking will certainly take another look once they realize what is happening. The SNP will love it though because it will polarize many in England. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Apr 2015 4.04pm)
You appear to suggest when it suits you that within the UK (and I seem to recall you support the Union),it would be awful if the SNP had a block of say about 40 seats and thus formed a coalition since many would be disaffected and the Labour vote might experience "carnage". Interestingly,I suspect if your wildest dreams came true and UKIP got a block of about 40 seats within the UK and formed a coalition with the Tories,you somehow wouldn't call it a disaster, "completely unfair" and a legitimate recipe for disaffection and that the Tory vote might thus experience "carnage". All this scare story stuff about Labour and the SNP is no different to a similar such scare story about the Tories and UKIP should your wildest dream have taken off,and one which you would no doubt have condemned as the "usual lefty fear mongering nonsense". Edited by legaleagle (11 Apr 2015 5.22pm)
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Quote imbored at 11 Apr 2015 4.19pm
It is a small part of the UK, yes, hence it has a much smaller number of seats. That's already something that's factored in. It makes no greater sense to say they these seats should have no worth. In fact clearly that makes no sense. As always, the number of seats will hold the value defined by how necessary they are. A problem with the outcome is a problem with the system. A Lib Dem - Tory coalition sounded ludicrous before it happened. They took a hit because of it and as you say maybe Labour would too. It's unknown as politically they are more closely aligned on many issues. It would depend how many concessions Labour were giving. Those with power and influence should've thought about all of this before the comically one sided No to independence campaign won the day. Edited by imbored (11 Apr 2015 4.58pm) Well, I agree with some of your points here but as one who never really got my head around a Tory/Lib coalition instead of minority government I'm definitely not looking forward to Scottish nationalists being king-makers with significant power in England.....With too much power in relation to the number of votes won. That has definitely happened with the Lib Dems this last term. This is just a win win for the Scottish nationalists....They know that if Labour need them in Westminster that it's going to damage the union cause in England as well as Labour's generally. As for Labour being criticised for backing the 'No' campaign in Scotland.....I think that is completely wrong......The people to blame for how things are going are the Scottish people.....They have decided to vote nationalist because that is what they feel will gain them the most from the rest of the UK. What it is going to eventually gain them is independence because good will towards the union is gradually being eroded in England. Outside of Labour's core vote I can see a Labour government kept in power by nationalists going down in England like a lead balloon. System or not.
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