There was already significant reason to believe that Ukraine was going to be invaded from Belarus anyway. Even aside from that, Putin clearly wanted to reach and take the Capital before he realised that his military strategy wasn't going to pan out as expected due to significant local and global pushback.

The West arming Ukraine at minimum slowed down Russian plans and will persuade them to have more reasonable expectations of what their optional invasion can achieve. Without external help we would not even be in a situation where there was a Ukranian leadership to negotiate anything with. There's much take of Russia needing a buffer. I don't disagree, the West needs one too. It's called Ukraine.

I don't recall us discussing what the terms of Nato membership are, so would be interested to know what you think they are, and how Russia might meet them.

Nor do I recall us discussing what Nato's primary purpose is, as actually there isn't anything to discuss when it's clearly stated by them, but again if you disagree with that, maybe you can specify why.

Nor have you justified the idea that because Russia is partly in Europe, Russians should be regarded as our "brothers". Whilst most of its people live in the European part, most of its territory is in Asia. Those people are not ethnically the same as those in Western Europe, being Slavic and having many cultural and historical differences. This can be clearly seen in the attitudes now on display. I have witnessed it myself. They aren't like us. They think differently and have different values. They aren't our brothers.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Appeasement is just loaded language.

Any peace treaty in history can be seen as appeasement. There is no such thing as a peace deal that everybody is happy about.

It's people using language like that which stops any resolution to the Palestine/Israeli conflict.

Perhaps the Argentinians should have just continued the war over the Falklands because....you know...appeasement.

Was leaving Iraq 'appeasement'?....How about Afghanistan? How about leaving Syria to Assad and Putin? Don't remember the term 'appeasement' then. Why don't we just fecking carry on fighting forever eh.....People are mighty quiet about 'appeasement' when it suits them.

It's the type of language those who would never fight themselves will use to justify sending young men to their deaths.

Perhaps those who aren't sending their own sons into the mincer should shut up about what is and what isn't 'appeasement'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2022 9.47pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Waffle.....Did Greece meet the rules for joining the EU? Rules are bent and ignored whenever it suits those making the decisions.

I'm tired of listening to b0llocks from waffle merchants.

More GCSE level b0llocks that I can't be bothered with.

Why go over what we don't agree on once again? You don't even believe in race....I can't be bothered to discuss these issues with you. It's just rinse and repeat.

I will discuss what I want with people I regard as good faith actors.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

A timely reminder that the organiser of the American neo-nazi terrorist organisation The Base ( [Link] ) set up the organisation in Russia with their knowledge and publicity behind him. Invitations to government security conference etc too. He must be one of the 'good ones'.

Many examples of their intentions including somes members hopes of using a Virginia rally to spark civil war [Link]

"Here's the thing to, you want to create f***ing some instability, while the Virginia situation is happening, make other things happen, derail some rail lines, f***ing like shut down the highways, oh road block, great lets [sic] shut down the rest of the roads, you know, you can kick off the economic collapse of the U.S. within a week," Mathews allegedly told Lemley on December 21.

Two days later, Lemley allegedly told Mathews, "I literally need, I need to claim my first victim," while discussing targeted acts of violence in Virginia.

"You know we got this situation in Virginia where this is going to be, that opportunity is boundless and the thing is you've got tons of guys who are just in theory should be radicalized enough to know that all you gotta do is start making things go wrong and if Virginia can spiral out to f***ing full blown civil war," Mathews later added."

Maybe W12 can give Vlad a heads up and get him to pop over and arrest the groups founder as part of his neo nazi annulling crusade.

Edited by BlueJay (29 May 2022 10.52pm)

All of this is just sheer word manipulation.

If your balls are as big as the b0llocks you write you'd fly off in orbit around the freaking sun.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 May 2022 11.08pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)