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Lyons550 Shirley 24 Jun 16 3.10pm
Originally posted by nickgusset How many of those 17million really looked into the issues before making an informed decision rather than relying on hyperbole. As I've said, I accept the result and came very close to voting leave myself, but for very different reasons than most I expect. But now is not the time for 'told you so's.' No one wants things to go tits up for purposes of one upmanship. It's time to think about the way forward now and discuss what we want an 'independent' UK to look like. Do we want one that genuinely looks after the interests of Joe public or one that is just more of the same austerity and siphoning of cash from have nots to tyhe haves? To look on the bright side, it's a real opportunity to exact change for the benefit of all UK citizens. Sadly, if we see the same old neoliberals taking the rudder, I can't see it happening. I guess it could also be asked how many of the 16m voted REMAIN out of fear for change and also being unable to think for themselves? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 24 Jun 16 3.10pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How many of those 17million really looked into the issues before making an informed decision rather than relying on hyperbole.

As I've said, I accept the result and came very close to voting leave myself, but for very different reasons than most I expect.

But now is not the time for 'told you so's.' No one wants things to go tits up for purposes of one upmanship.

It's time to think about the way forward now and discuss what we want an 'independent' UK to look like.

Do we want one that genuinely looks after the interests of Joe public or one that is just more of the same austerity and siphoning of cash from have nots to tyhe haves?

To look on the bright side, it's a real opportunity to exact change for the benefit of all UK citizens. Sadly, if we see the same old neoliberals taking the rudder, I can't see it happening.

I guess it could also be asked how many of the 16m voted REMAIN out of fear for change and also being unable to think for themselves?

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 24 Jun 16 3.12pm
Originally posted by dannyh You wouldn't say you were over egging the pudding a touch with the ten year nonsense, given that the pound has already in a matter of hours started to claw back the losses from when trading first opened this morning ? Cheer up FFS That could be profit takers shorting. A long decline can stretch over a considerable period.
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 24 Jun 16 3.12pm

Originally posted by dannyh

You wouldn't say you were over egging the pudding a touch with the ten year nonsense, given that the pound has already in a matter of hours started to claw back the losses from when trading first opened this morning ?

Cheer up FFS

That could be profit takers shorting. A long decline can stretch over a considerable period.

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 24 Jun 16 3.14pm
Originally posted by dannyh You wouldn't say you were over egging the pudding a touch with the ten year nonsense, given that the pound has already in a matter of hours started to claw back the losses from when trading first opened this morning ? Cheer up FFS But I'm not too worried, since the YTL is such a rubbish currency my bottle of gin will now cost £3.50 instead of £3.25 (for a bit).
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 24 Jun 16 3.14pm

Originally posted by dannyh

Cheer up FFS

But I'm not too worried, since the YTL is such a rubbish currency my bottle of gin will now cost £3.50 instead of £3.25 (for a bit).

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black eagle. south croydon. 24 Jun 16 3.19pm
Surely this is the end of Corbyn as Labour leader, he wanted to remain just like Cameron did and Cameron walked. Corbyn is a dead man walking.
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south croydon. 24 Jun 16 3.19pm

Surely this is the end of Corbyn as Labour leader, he wanted to remain just like Cameron did and Cameron walked.

Corbyn is a dead man walking.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jun 16 3.24pm
Originally posted by Slimey Toad That could be profit takers shorting. A long decline can stretch over a considerable period. There would have been very few bids (people wanting to buy/go long at the top and the way down) for traders wanting to go short against them just after midnight. You cannot sell a price without anyone willing to buy (sorry to state the obvious but I bet some people think it's as easy as knowing it's doomed and hitting sell). You have to do it just before. It came down in a straight line. No resistance. There might be profit taking now from those who went short over the last few days. Also, there's 'sell the rumour, buy the fact.' As there's actually very little change to the country for quite a while, why keep selling and speculating a catastrophe when there isn't one? Over the next few weeks and then Summer when most go on their hols and volume is as thin as Trump's hair, expect all markets to blip and flip the moment Trusk, Juncker, Hollande or Merkel take a sh1t. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, just short-term noise and short-term trades of minutes or seconds. Not until economic data and deals have been hinted and made will it be meaningful. Edited by Rudi Hedman (24 Jun 2016 3.27pm) COYP
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Caterham 24 Jun 16 3.24pm

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

That could be profit takers shorting. A long decline can stretch over a considerable period.

There would have been very few bids (people wanting to buy/go long at the top and the way down) for traders wanting to go short against them just after midnight. You cannot sell a price without anyone willing to buy (sorry to state the obvious but I bet some people think it's as easy as knowing it's doomed and hitting sell). You have to do it just before. It came down in a straight line. No resistance.

There might be profit taking now from those who went short over the last few days. Also, there's 'sell the rumour, buy the fact.' As there's actually very little change to the country for quite a while, why keep selling and speculating a catastrophe when there isn't one?

Over the next few weeks and then Summer when most go on their hols and volume is as thin as Trump's hair, expect all markets to blip and flip the moment Trusk, Juncker, Hollande or Merkel take a sh1t. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, just short-term noise and short-term trades of minutes or seconds. Not until economic data and deals have been hinted and made will it be meaningful.

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 24 Jun 16 3.25pm
Surely this is the chance for the Labour Party to re-engage with their core audience. They need to find a middle way between the idealistic flip flop wearers and the Blairite Westminster villagers. I have a cousin working at Kirklees Council in West Yorkshire. So many there voted 'leave' (and a lot of them active Unison members) because they got no acknowledgement from the Labour Party membership about what concerns them and could only see Remain through the lens of Cameron and Osborne.
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 24 Jun 16 3.25pm

Surely this is the chance for the Labour Party to re-engage with their core audience. They need to find a middle way between the idealistic flip flop wearers and the Blairite Westminster villagers.

I have a cousin working at Kirklees Council in West Yorkshire. So many there voted 'leave' (and a lot of them active Unison members) because they got no acknowledgement from the Labour Party membership about what concerns them and could only see Remain through the lens of Cameron and Osborne.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jun 16 3.30pm
Originally posted by Slimey Toad Surely this is the chance for the Labour Party to re-engage with their core audience. They need to find a middle way between the idealistic flip flop wearers and the Blairite Westminster villagers. I have a cousin working at Kirklees Council in West Yorkshire. So many there voted 'leave' (and a lot of them active Unison members) because they got no acknowledgement from the Labour Party membership about what concerns them and could only see Remain through the lens of Cameron and Osborne. Is your cousin somehwere between the Champagne Socialists, the Metropolitan liberal elite, Blairites, Neoliberalism? Doesn't sound like it to me. This is where there problem is to me. Left or centre and they can't win without a message that inspires enough. Out of touch with the ordinary person, ordinary person doesn't appeal to the middle class anti-Tory. Edited by Rudi Hedman (24 Jun 2016 3.55pm) COYP
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Caterham 24 Jun 16 3.30pm

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Surely this is the chance for the Labour Party to re-engage with their core audience. They need to find a middle way between the idealistic flip flop wearers and the Blairite Westminster villagers.

Is your cousin somehwere between the Champagne Socialists, the Metropolitan liberal elite, Blairites, Neoliberalism?

Doesn't sound like it to me. This is where there problem is to me. Left or centre and they can't win without a message that inspires enough. Out of touch with the ordinary person, ordinary person doesn't appeal to the middle class anti-Tory.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (24 Jun 2016 3.55pm)

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matt_himself Matataland 24 Jun 16 3.40pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Anything to say about Cameron having lost his job as a result of EU Vote outcome? Plenty of Conservative Pro-EU Ministers may also fall upon their swords as well.... He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing. However, the winner is Sir Nigel Farage, who I voted for at the last election. He has proved that he, and only he, is the only leader of a major political party who is aligned with the people. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 24 Jun 16 3.40pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Anything to say about Cameron having lost his job as a result of EU Vote outcome? Plenty of Conservative Pro-EU Ministers may also fall upon their swords as well....

He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing.

However, the winner is Sir Nigel Farage, who I voted for at the last election. He has proved that he, and only he, is the only leader of a major political party who is aligned with the people.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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taylors lovechild 24 Jun 16 3.56pm
Nigel Farage is a leader of a political party. Edited for accuracy Edited by taylors lovechild (24 Jun 2016 3.57pm)
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Nigel Farage is a leader of a political party.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jun 16 3.58pm
Originally posted by matt_himself He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing. However, the winner is Sir Nigel Farage, who I voted for at the last election. He has proved that he, and only he, is the only leader of a major political party who is aligned with the people. "The UK can cope outside of the EU." Fast forward.... "We are heading for a self inflicted catastrophe." "Peace is at risk." "Little Englander." "We cannot reform from the outside." (erm, you couldn't from within) Glad he's going. Lied at some point or much more than once. COYP
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Caterham 24 Jun 16 3.58pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing.

However, the winner is Sir Nigel Farage, who I voted for at the last election. He has proved that he, and only he, is the only leader of a major political party who is aligned with the people.

"The UK can cope outside of the EU." Fast forward....

"We are heading for a self inflicted catastrophe."

"Peace is at risk."

"Little Englander."

"We cannot reform from the outside." (erm, you couldn't from within)

Glad he's going. Lied at some point or much more than once.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jun 16 4.01pm
Originally posted by matt_himself He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing. However, the winner is Sir Nigel Farage, who I voted for at the last election. He has proved that he, and only he, is the only leader of a major political party who is aligned with the people. Appears some of the naive young didn't and a few filmed on tv regret voting leave. Well that's not exclusive to this referendum/election. Often people regret their vote immediately or shorty after. Sometimes due to manifesto details or not delivered or tactical voting gone wrong. Bringing this regret out now is pointless. COYP
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Caterham 24 Jun 16 4.01pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Appears some of the naive young didn't and a few filmed on tv regret voting leave. Well that's not exclusive to this referendum/election. Often people regret their vote immediately or shorty after. Sometimes due to manifesto details or not delivered or tactical voting gone wrong. Bringing this regret out now is pointless.

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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 24 Jun 16 4.05pm
Originally posted by matt_himself He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing. However, the winner is Sir Nigel Farage, who I voted for at the last election. He has proved that he, and only he, is the only leader of a major political party who is aligned with the people. So in touch with the people he failed to win a seat in said last election, securing just 32% of the vote? "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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Cockfosters, London 24 Jun 16 4.05pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing.

However, the winner is Sir Nigel Farage, who I voted for at the last election. He has proved that he, and only he, is the only leader of a major political party who is aligned with the people.

So in touch with the people he failed to win a seat in said last election, securing just 32% of the vote?

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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