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Coronavirus and the impact of Lockdown policy
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 eaglesdare  25 Feb 24 7.40pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My heart goes out to anyone unlucky enough to suffer a side effect from any medicine or medical procedure. Fortunately they are rare and are outweighed by the benefits. If that weren’t so the medicines and the procedures would be withdrawn. I have just had my third Covid infection, by far the worst of the three. I am fully vaccinated and at nearly 80 very pleased to be. I was unwell for several days but never so bad that hospitalisation was even considered. Had I not been protected by the vaccines I am not so sure that would have been true. The number now needing hospital treatment for Covid is minimal compared to the early days of the pandemic meaning the NHS has been able to start the long process of catching up. The vaccines don’t stop infection by or transmission of the variants, which have mutated to enable them to overcome that. They do though stop severe disease and for those most at risk, which includes my age group, that’s vital. Not just for me but for everyone because if I am not using a NHS bed you can if you need it. Nothing can ever be claimed to be totally safe and effective. The whole of life carries risk. People can die from getting out of bed! The real question is to determine the balance between risk and reward and with the Covid vaccines there is a clear and unequivocal answer. Only the wilfully and determinedly obstinate anti-vax brigade think otherwise.
As I said earlier if the penny has not dropped it never will.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Feb 24 7.52pm |
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Those are the actual statistics. The information contained within the graph is quite clear and it isn't dishonest. Anyone can visit the link and do the graph themselves if they wish. Only the habitually dishonest would say otherwise.
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Teddy Eagle  25 Feb 24 8.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s NOT the chart or the claims being made that’s being circulated. That’s the raw data, without any breakdown into doctors, nurses etc. They appear to have come out of thin air. As the “chart” itself does. Read what the NHS says about the raw data:- The first three words in that link are Frontline healthcare workers. Not office or other admin staff or cleaners. Frontline.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 25 Feb 24 11.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Those are the actual statistics. The information contained within the graph is quite clear and it isn't dishonest. Anyone can visit the link and do the graph themselves if they wish. Only the habitually dishonest would say otherwise. How dare you call me dishonest, ask any of my friends .....
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| Stirlingsays 25 Feb 24 11.08pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
How dare you call me dishonest, ask any of my friends ..... Indeed, especially US Trump supporters who apparently like their TDS limey.....though he doesn't seem too popular in the civil courts for some reason. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Feb 2024 11.11pm)
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| Stirlingsays 05 Mar 24 4.45pm |
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The UK Government, urged on by Labour and almost all the media, spent £450,000,000,000 on Lockdowns with worse results than Sweden. This could have been invested in : Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2024 4.45pm)
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| Teddy Eagle 05 Mar 24 4.52pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The UK Government, urged on by Labour and almost all the media, spent £450,000,000,000 on Lockdowns with worse results than Sweden. This could have been invested in : Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2024 4.45pm) I'd have settled for £35,000 and one hospital. Provided it was local.
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| Stirlingsays 05 Mar 24 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I'd have settled for £35,000 and one hospital. Provided it was local. Indeed....I'm not sure how many times that's passing 'go' on Monopoly but I'm pretty sure it would have been better spent like that.
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| Teddy Eagle 05 Mar 24 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Indeed....I'm not sure how many times that's passing 'go' on Monopoly but I'm pretty sure it would have been better spent like that. 175 times. About the same as an actual game in my experience.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 24 9.17pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The first three words in that link are Frontline healthcare workers. Not office or other admin staff or cleaners. Frontline. Only just seen this. I know this. The point being made was that the chart being circulated ignores the caveats about the way the data is collected and makes much broader assumptions. It’s yet another piece of misleading chicanery being spoon fed to the gullible who lap it all up like a Daily Mail headline.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 24 9.39pm |
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Trying to measure the cost of our response to the pandemic involves a great deal more than just trying to estimate the cost of “lockdowns”! Every country would have had costs, whatever they did, even it was nothing at all. Indeed trying to measure the cost of us doing nothing, with the resulting costs to our healthcare systems, loss of life and economic and social chaos, is something that nobody has attempted. Making comparisons with any other country, with different demographics, standards of public behaviour and functioning health care services is to deliberately mislead. So for sure there were costs. Every crisis produces costs. The best estimate I can find comes from here:- Note that this ranges from £310 to £410 billion. Not £450 billion. Lots of debt that would not have been taken to build hospitals or aircraft carriers. We don’t need 60 aircraft carriers. We did need to protect people from an unknown disease that we were completely unprepared for and which threatened to decimate us. Of course there will always be those who know better and do on every subject known to mankind.
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| Teddy Eagle 05 Mar 24 10.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Only just seen this. I know this. The point being made was that the chart being circulated ignores the caveats about the way the data is collected and makes much broader assumptions. It’s yet another piece of misleading chicanery being spoon fed to the gullible who lap it all up like a Daily Mail headline. So the point about doctors and nurses mean nothing.
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