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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 20 8.59am | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
The real culprits holding up peoples payments lie with Chuck Schumer & Nancy Pelosi. When they were tacking on pork to the stimulus bill. Or trying to widen and improve it's scope? It depends on which side of the fence you sit as to how these things appear. Trump insisting his name appears on the cheques looks the same from everywhere.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Apr 20 9.12am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That Trump has been scapegoating China from day one of his presidency is true. He wasn't though critical of their handling of the C19 crisis until he needed to deflect blame from himself. Hence the "Chinese Virus" switch in the way it was referred to. As I have previously pointed out he was supporting the Chinese response in February via Twitter:- "China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!" How the virus started remains unproven. It is assumed it was via their live markets but much fuller investigations are needed and once done the lessons need to be learned. The WHO acted, as everyone else has to, on the best information available at the time they made their decisions. Using hindsight can make everyone an expert but using it politically, as Trump is doing, for purely selfish reasons, is irresponsible. Speculating on whether China did this, or that, gets us no-where at all. There is a time to find that out and then via good argument, gentle persuasion and effective diplomacy find ways to effect changes that improve behaviour and reduce the future risks. That time isn't now. Now is the time to put such matters aside and concentrate on co-operation to overcome the immediate problems. That countries aren't publicly defending China just means they are trying not to give any oxygen to the story. I suspect though that they are mostly giving quiet diplomatic support, as it seems we have. Or it could be that other countries aren’t defending China because they agree with Trump. Among the narratives here are one in which Trump is criticised for not acting quickly enough and another in which China suppressed information.
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Midlands Eagle 16 Apr 20 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It could be worse as it could have been his face appearing on the cheques
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Teddy Eagle 16 Apr 20 9.40am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It could be worse as it could have been his face appearing on the cheques Or he could have turned up with a bagful of used notes. Or coins.
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DanH SW2 16 Apr 20 9.44am | |
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Have we explored the option that both the Chinese and US governments are awful?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 20 9.50am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Or it could be that other countries aren’t defending China because they agree with Trump. Among the narratives here are one in which Trump is criticised for not acting quickly enough and another in which China suppressed information. Do you really think any country (other than those also currently with populist heads of state) think it's wise to politicise the crisis, even if they have some doubts about the WHO? We will face lockdowns and deaths until a vaccine is universally available and that date remains one of the big unknowns. From what I read it doesn't just depend upon the development of a successful vaccine but on how and where to scale it up. Apparently there is not the lab capacity currently available to do this, so new facilities must be built. Using the current ones, even if they are technically suitable, would mean that other vaccines would go into short supply resulting in a surge of epidemics of other well known viral infections, which could in turn produce an even worse outcome. No doubt the building of such facilities is already being planned but this really is something where international co-operation is essential.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Apr 20 9.54am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Have we explored the option that both the Chinese and US governments are awful? As with most governments choosing between them is like choosing which nut you want kicked hardest.
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W12 16 Apr 20 9.54am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Sweden up 170 dead today. Now 1200 dead. I simply cannot understand that most people are still falling for this bollx and allowing themselves to be prisoners. The whole thing obviously stinks. Enjoy your endless vaccines and forced social tracking sheeple because then it's game over if you dissent (about anything). Attachment: Capture.PNG (1,739.21Kb)
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dannyboy1978 16 Apr 20 9.58am | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
That’s what it was called "Because it's from Hong Kong "
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Teddy Eagle 16 Apr 20 10.02am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Do you really think any country (other than those also currently with populist heads of state) think it's wise to politicise the crisis, even if they have some doubts about the WHO? We will face lockdowns and deaths until a vaccine is universally available and that date remains one of the big unknowns. From what I read it doesn't just depend upon the development of a successful vaccine but on how and where to scale it up. Apparently there is not the lab capacity currently available to do this, so new facilities must be built. Using the current ones, even if they are technically suitable, would mean that other vaccines would go into short supply resulting in a surge of epidemics of other well known viral infections, which could in turn produce an even worse outcome. No doubt the building of such facilities is already being planned but this really is something where international co-operation is essential. Do you really think politicians will do anything else? There is the possibility that China are first to develop a vaccine. Would they then donate billions of doses to the world or look to profit from and politicise the situation?
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BlueJay UK 16 Apr 20 11.08am | |
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Originally posted by W12
I simply cannot understand that most people are still falling for this bollx and allowing themselves to be prisoners. The whole thing obviously stinks. Enjoy your endless vaccines and forced social tracking sheeple because then it's game over if you dissent (about anything). I'd welcome a vaccine over a predictably cobbled together conspiracy theory any day of the week.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 16 Apr 20 11.18am | |
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Originally posted by W12
I simply cannot understand that most people are still falling for this bollx and allowing themselves to be prisoners. The whole thing obviously stinks. Enjoy your endless vaccines and forced social tracking sheeple because then it's game over if you dissent (about anything). Cool, so you should be fine going into the Coronavirus wing of your local hospital and helping out the doctors then? Obviously with no PPE as the whole thing's a hoax. Maybe you could comfort the ill by giving them hugs? Edited by serial thriller (16 Apr 2020 11.19am)
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