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 Beanyboysmd  23 Jun 24 12.06am |
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Originally posted by becky
I think being English is a bit like being a 'villager' in a smallish country village - it takes at least 5 generations before you qualify. I would say I am English - we have traced the family back to 1518 with one Dutchman and one female of dubious parentage (believed to be the daughter of the Romanies that worked on the land)as the only 'blots on the landscape. If you thought like an American, you would be proudly calling yourself a 'dutch brit'
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 becky over the moon 23 Jun 24 6.43am |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
If you thought like an American, you would be proudly calling yourself a 'dutch brit' Better that than being called a dyke....
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Teddy Eagle  23 Jun 24 8.58am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
An Englishman is an Englishman, whatever their genetic origins might have been. Anyone who identifies as Chinese isn’t English. I believe that China has 56 ethnic groups. Which one are you talking about? No Englishman can be Chinese, as he has obviously already identified as English or he wouldn’t be an Englishman. Identify is not defined by skin tone, so your last question is meaningless. This ignores that there is a change in identity involved from one to the other. Can he be English until he decides he isn't and Chinese from then onwards?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 10.58am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
An Englishman is an Englishman, whatever their genetic origins might have been. Anyone who identifies as Chinese isn’t English. I believe that China has 56 ethnic groups. Which one are you talking about? No Englishman can be Chinese, as he has obviously already identified as English or he wouldn’t be an Englishman. Identify is not defined by skin tone, so your last question is meaningless. You dodged the question. Can I be Chinese or Black just by embracing the culture or identifying as such? Take your pick with the specific nationality or 'ethnic group'. Its simple enough. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Jun 2024 11.00am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 11.47am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This ignores that there is a change in identity involved from one to the other. Can he be English until he decides he isn't and Chinese from then onwards? I suppose it is theoretically possible whilst being extremely improbable. A child could be born to English parents in China who perish and is then adopted and brought up in China, acquiring nothing but the local culture. They would then identify as whichever of the 56 Chinese ethnicities exist locally. I guess there could be other possibilities. Whether they have ever occurred is another question.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 11.59am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You dodged the question. Can I be Chinese or Black just by embracing the culture or identifying as such? Take your pick with the specific nationality or 'ethnic group'. Its simple enough. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Jun 2024 11.00am) I dodged nothing! I answered the question. You though just cannot accept the answer because it doesn’t match your prejudices. You cannot change your skin colour. Skin colour though has no bearing on your ethnicity. Chinese is a nationality. Anyone can acquire Chinese citizenship if they meet the criteria, which are not unlike our own. Identifying as one of the 56 different Chinese ethnicities would be more challenging for most, but could be done. Whether anyone wants to is another matter.
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| Teddy Eagle 23 Jun 24 12.22pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I suppose it is theoretically possible whilst being extremely improbable. A child could be born to English parents in China who perish and is then adopted and brought up in China, acquiring nothing but the local culture. They would then identify as whichever of the 56 Chinese ethnicities exist locally. I guess there could be other possibilities. Whether they have ever occurred is another question. But these same criteria don't apply to anyone coming to England when identifying as English is enough to qualify.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Jun 24 12.32pm |
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When people make the point that there are 56 ethnicities in China....if you actually look into this you find that, according to Wikipedia...a lefty source he likes to use.....'As of 2010, the combined population of officially-recognized minority groups comprised 8.49 percent of the population of Mainland China'. These groups have mostly been in China for very long time....it's not the fake manufactured situation that is happening in Europe. So in other words the vast majority of Chinese are the Han ethnicity you see and associate with the Chinese....Same ethnicity you see in Hong Kong.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 23 Jun 24 12.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I dodged nothing! I answered the question. You though just cannot accept the answer because it doesn’t match your prejudices. You cannot change your skin colour. Skin colour though has no bearing on your ethnicity. Chinese is a nationality. Anyone can acquire Chinese citizenship if they meet the criteria, which are not unlike our own. Identifying as one of the 56 different Chinese ethnicities would be more challenging for most, but could be done. Whether anyone wants to is another matter. insanity
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| Stirlingsays 23 Jun 24 12.47pm |
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'Chinese is a nationality. Anyone can acquire Chinese citizenship if they meet the criteria, which are not unlike our own.' It differs in two regards. China does not recognize dual nationality. A child born in China to two foreign national parents is not eligible for Chinese nationality. China isn't under threat of its culture and ethnicity being replaced by immigration. If it were I have little doubt that it would clamp down. It would never allow the kind of subversive fifth columnists in to erode and diminish like Europe has.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I dodged nothing! I answered the question. You though just cannot accept the answer because it doesn’t match your prejudices. You cannot change your skin colour. Skin colour though has no bearing on your ethnicity. Chinese is a nationality. Anyone can acquire Chinese citizenship if they meet the criteria, which are not unlike our own. Identifying as one of the 56 different Chinese ethnicities would be more challenging for most, but could be done. Whether anyone wants to is another matter. So now you are saying that I can be a Chinese just by having a Chinese passport? And Skin colour has no bearing on ethnicity? I think that we can just leave those hanging out there and let people grade them on the scale of bonkers.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 4.07pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But these same criteria don't apply to anyone coming to England when identifying as English is enough to qualify. Why? That the determination is made by the individual and not imposed on them either by government regulations or the prejudices of others doesn’t make it either likely or frequent. People identify with that they feel comfortable and correct with. They don’t have to announce it to others, who are entitled to think whatever they like.
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