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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Jun 24 8.16am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

GS is lucky again, already through to the last 16 the match only really matters to Slovenia. Expect another weak showing. GS IS USELESS when will it sink in?

I suspect after we stumble through 1 or 2 knockout games and lose somewhat timidly to any team that can come anywhere close to us for quality in their squad.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View viveasheagle's Profile viveasheagle Flag perth 25 Jun 24 9.30am Send a Private Message to viveasheagle Add viveasheagle as a friend

To try and get the best out of the players i would go for 5 3 2 for mation. I think Walker, Stones and Guehi would be a great combination and then i would pick Trippier and Saka as the wing backs.
Central mids would be Rice Bellingham and Foden and then up front i would have Kane and Watkin's. Palmer could in for Kane or Watkins if needed. It would cure the ineffectiveness England have had on the left and would give the team the ability to put into more crosses which will give Kane and Watkins some service.
Gallagher can be a midfield replacement for Bellingham or Foden and if Southgate wanted to be more defensive he could go 5 4 1 and drop Watkins or Kane for another midfielder.
Shaw could come on for Saka knowing he would still have 3 good defenders behind him while he get's up to speed.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglehamster

GS is lucky again, already through to the last 16 the match only really matters to Slovenia. Expect another weak showing. GS IS USELESS when will it sink in?

Because we picked up 4 points from our first 2 games - why does that make him lucky?

I think there are plenty of valid criticisms of Southgate but I find this sort of analysis so empty - 'he's so lucky that our previous results have already ensured qualification' ???

 

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The Gallagher decision is a big red flag for me - suggests Southgate is not recognising the problems in the team correctly, and therefore picking a 'solution' that I can't see making any difference.

Gallagher might help with the intensity of our press, but he's not going to help us progress the ball through midfield any better.

It also doesn't solve the problem that our left flank is a complete non-factor in games, nor that we lack runners around Kane.

As has been seen, I'm generally positive on England, and maintain that any criticism of Southgate which just disregards the last 3 tournaments is lazy, but I am concerned with the decisions this time round.

Tonight was the opportunity to make 3 or 4 bold changes, free hit of a game against a weaker opponent, and go and win by 2 or 3 goals and change the whole feel of the camp.

Instead it feels like we'll stutter through to another narrow win, but do nothing to ease the concerns around the system or our performances.

 

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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 25 Jun 24 10.00am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Now we're officially through, I would like to see GS blood some players that have not seen yet in this tournament - like Palmer, Gordon and Wharton, especially. Eze, Gallager, Bowen all had some minutes up to now, but we may need these players later on, and to throw them in for their first taste of tournament football in a knockout game seems neglectful. More likely they won't get used at all, which for a player like Palmer is scandalous.

Will GS be confident enough to do this? The way I see it is that even if we do not finish top it's not dreadful - may even be better, historically we play better against better opposition (even if we don't traditionally beat them!). I'd rather a good game vs Germany or Portugal than another cagey one vs Austria, Czechs or Slovakia!

 


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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 25 Jun 24 10.10am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The Gallagher decision is a big red flag for me - suggests Southgate is not recognising the problems in the team correctly, and therefore picking a 'solution' that I can't see making any difference.

Gallagher might help with the intensity of our press, but he's not going to help us progress the ball through midfield any better.

It also doesn't solve the problem that our left flank is a complete non-factor in games, nor that we lack runners around Kane.

As has been seen, I'm generally positive on England, and maintain that any criticism of Southgate which just disregards the last 3 tournaments is lazy, but I am concerned with the decisions this time round.

Tonight was the opportunity to make 3 or 4 bold changes, free hit of a game against a weaker opponent, and go and win by 2 or 3 goals and change the whole feel of the camp.

Instead it feels like we'll stutter through to another narrow win, but do nothing to ease the concerns around the system or our performances.

I am lazy, that has been proven , but I haven't disregarded the last 3 tournaments, I see them completely differently to you.

In those tournaments, GS's Plan A seemed to always work well, until he met a team that was good enough to work it out, then he had no response.
This time round, his Plan A is not working from the off, and again he's struggling to find a solution.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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View MrRobbo's Profile MrRobbo Flag Purley 25 Jun 24 10.29am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The Gallagher decision is a big red flag for me - suggests Southgate is not recognising the problems in the team correctly, and therefore picking a 'solution' that I can't see making any difference.

Gallagher might help with the intensity of our press, but he's not going to help us progress the ball through midfield any better.

It also doesn't solve the problem that our left flank is a complete non-factor in games, nor that we lack runners around Kane.

As has been seen, I'm generally positive on England, and maintain that any criticism of Southgate which just disregards the last 3 tournaments is lazy, but I am concerned with the decisions this time round.

Tonight was the opportunity to make 3 or 4 bold changes, free hit of a game against a weaker opponent, and go and win by 2 or 3 goals and change the whole feel of the camp.

Instead it feels like we'll stutter through to another narrow win, but do nothing to ease the concerns around the system or our performances.

100% agree with the Gallagher decision, never going to be the right solution. And the fact that he hasn't picked a fit LB is criminal.


And with CrazyBadger on previous tournaments. We weren't terrible, but were still found out against the top teams.

 

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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I am lazy, that has been proven , but I haven't disregarded the last 3 tournaments, I see them completely differently to you.

In those tournaments, GS's Plan A seemed to always work well, until he met a team that was good enough to work it out, then he had no response.
This time round, his Plan A is not working from the off, and again he's struggling to find a solution.

Well yeah, that's pretty much how football works - my point is the fact his plan A got us to a final and a semi-final deserves a lot more credit than most seem willing to give.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Jun 24 10.40am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Well yeah, that's pretty much how football works - my point is the fact his plan A got us to a final and a semi-final deserves a lot more credit than most seem willing to give.

Another way of looking at it is 'the team with the better players will win most of the time'. There's an argument that we won every time we were the team with the better players, but always lost when this was not the case.

That for me is where a good manager swings it but we do not have one. The quality of the squad should get us so far but without a good enough manager it's unlikely we'll win anything. I'd suggest that is the situation lamented by so many.

Again, I'm very open to insight on GS's brilliant managerial tactics, footballing philosophy etc. I couldn't identify it for anyone. I could at least have a go with Glasner's, as just one example.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Originally posted by Nicholas91

Another way of looking at it is 'the team with the better players will win most of the time'. There's an argument that we won every time we were the team with the better players, but always lost when this was not the case.

That for me is where a good manager swings it but we do not have one. The quality of the squad should get us so far but without a good enough manager it's unlikely we'll win anything. I'd suggest that is the situation lamented by so many.

Again, I'm very open to insight on GS's brilliant managerial tactics, footballing philosophy etc. I couldn't identify it for anyone. I could at least have a go with Glasner's, as just one example.

I don't really think there is - the squads in WC 18 and Euro 2020 were nowhere near as stacked as we are now and I think it's based on a lot of selective hindsight to suggest we had any sort of 'super squad' in those days. Bellingham, Foden and Saka are all amongst the best in the world in their positions currently, as are Kane, Stones, Walker and Rice... that was nothing like the case in 2018 or 2020.

The 2018 team had Walker, Stones, Kane and Sterling who were top-level players. The rest of the team was Henderson, Maguire, Trippier, Lingard, Ashley Young, Dele and Pickford.

2020 was stronger but still not as good on paper as the German side we beat, nor the Croatians.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Well yeah, that's pretty much how football works - my point is the fact his plan A got us to a final and a semi-final deserves a lot more credit than most seem willing to give.

True, but history without context is just statistics. And statistics can mislead to teach the wrong lesson.

We haven't improved since the last tournament as all Southgate/FA have seen is (relative) success and continued doing the same.

Now GS has seen this as his last tournament and named a bold, risky squad with only 1 plan. It isn't working (yet?), and he has no solution for it (again).

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 25 Jun 24 11.04am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I suspect after we stumble through 1 or 2 knockout games and lose somewhat timidly to any team that can come anywhere close to us for quality in their squad.

That would be the semi final.

I appreciate I am a lone voice thinking this is all part of a wider plan, but some say that betting companies usually know. Betfred have a special Euros deal whereby (up to 3rd July) they will take any bet for England to win the tournament at 100-1.

That is not resounding support for either England or my opinion!

 

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