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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Dec 23 8.18am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If trying to talk someone out of having their bollox cut off and grow a pair of tits is illegal, then there is no chance trying to re educate someone that lives by the word of the beano It seems to me that there is less chance of having a sensible debate with anyone who even contemplates conflating two such totally different things.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Dec 23 8.26am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not the point. What's in it for those we're trying to convince? Almost every human at a basic level responds to love, attention and acceptance. A few with seriously disturbed personality disorders may not but there is no reason to think that everyone who has been radicalised falls into those categories. So we can, over time, deradicalise them. Them getting that love, attention and acceptance into our society isn’t what they will be seeking at the outset but they are humans, like us, and willin time come to appreciate and value it.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 01 Dec 23 8.27am | |
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so if they're on a 'watch list', I could assume there is no intervention to re-educate or eliminate. ?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Dec 23 8.36am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
No one is defending anyone. Just saying that The Right doesn't have a monopoly on totalitarianism and extremism goes both ways. I don’t think anyone does. Totalitarianism and extremism is something we all condemn. Just look at the way the right try to separate themselves from being associated with the Nazis, even trying to suggest they were really socialists. The truth is that some of the attitudes espoused by the Nazis can still be detected in the shadows cast by the right today. I don’t detect anything similar to Stalin’s attitudes in any shadows cast by today’s left. Stalin was pure authoritarian.
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Teddy Eagle 01 Dec 23 8.43am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Almost every human at a basic level responds to love, attention and acceptance. A few with seriously disturbed personality disorders may not but there is no reason to think that everyone who has been radicalised falls into those categories. So we can, over time, deradicalise them. Them getting that love, attention and acceptance into our society isn’t what they will be seeking at the outset but they are humans, like us, and willin time come to appreciate and value it. Over time? This isn't a finite task - there are new arrivals every week who will need this love, care and attention that would make the labours of Hercules look like bob-a-job week. Sweden was a pretty kind and cuddly place; how's it worked out for them?
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Teddy Eagle 01 Dec 23 8.50am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t think anyone does. Totalitarianism and extremism is something we all condemn. Just look at the way the right try to separate themselves from being associated with the Nazis, even trying to suggest they were really socialists. The truth is that some of the attitudes espoused by the Nazis can still be detected in the shadows cast by the right today. I don’t detect anything similar to Stalin’s attitudes in any shadows cast by today’s left. Stalin was pure authoritarian. Again not the point. The question was asked as to when any on the Left had been guilty of same sort of atrocities as the right. Examples were provided but were dismissed. As happens every time.
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Dec 23 9.09am | |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
Just saying that is what is going on in the world today. The sun, the mail and the likes of you hate liberals and liberalism and see it as the scourge of society. Just as old Adolf did. What you are doing is what all lefty plonkers do. Pathetic nonsense which is beneath the level at which I'm prepared to debate.
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Glazier#1 01 Dec 23 9.33am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Really? Mao? Stalin? There are two to be getting on with. More available if required. Don't forget Pol Pot
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Glazier#1 01 Dec 23 9.36am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No one can argue that the rise to power of both was born in leftish ideology. However they both maintained their power through strident authoritarianism. Thus proving that authoritarianism can arise from both the left and the right and be equally distasteful. No socially responsible person would attempt to defend them. Agree. Both sides. Zealotry = danger
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Teddy Eagle 01 Dec 23 9.40am | |
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Originally posted by Glazier#1
Don't forget Pol Pot He was on the bench.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Dec 23 10.00am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t detect anything similar to Stalin’s attitudes in any shadows cast by today’s left. Stalin was pure authoritarian. The people who today are accused of being Far right. Mostly they are tolerant of LGBT, and Jews. And are not even far right at all. Mostly they show more respect for democratic votes than sitting governments. Hitler...antiSemitic, censoring, and marching in the street in military uniform, street violence, .....SinnFein , BLM, Antifa,
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PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Dec 23 10.07am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If trying to talk someone out of having their bollox cut off and grow a pair of tits is illegal, then there is no chance trying to re educate someone that lives by the word of the beano The Islamist in Sligo did just that. He castrated his gay victims before decapitating them. And just afterwards the irish Establishment used the crimes to launch a lefty crusade against homophobia.....and potentially more draconian laws. Effectively blaming the Sligo community for one Muslim extremist. The same is happening after the school stabbings.....more draconian laws against irish people for using hurty words. Gaslighting or what ?
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