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Stirlingsays 14 Oct 23 8.40pm | |
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Netanyahu is about to unleash the full might of the Israeli military into that place (a lot of it American equipment and missiles)....It's going to be a bloodbath. Blinken is touring Arab states trying....good luck with that....to placate them. Probably being Jewish himself he's not exactly the best person to send.....but the egos of these people. This is going to be very uncomfortable for the west who are going to face accusations of double standards....but it's hardly the first time. Honestly I'm glad I'm not having to deal with this one.....prior policy has limited their options. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Oct 2023 8.47pm)
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Matov 14 Oct 23 10.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Netanyahu is about to unleash the full might of the Israeli military into that place (a lot of it American equipment and missiles)....It's going to be a bloodbath.
All the miltary high-tech in the world can only do so much when it comes to urban fighting and I suspect the Israelis are not going to want to go 'toe to toe' for too long. If we are meant to believe the narrative that Hamas have evolved into this highly efficient, and tightly knit fighting force when it comes to not leaking all its plans in advance then they would have war-gamed this next phrase and will have all kinds of surprises up their sleeves. No doubt got plenty of supplies stashed away, and with all kinds of prepared postions and booby-traps. This could get very messy, very quickly. And if it does not, and the Israelis pull off some lightning quick vctory, probably poses more questions than a drawn out period of street to street fighting.
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Stirlingsays 14 Oct 23 10.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Be 'interesting' to see what tactics they do employ. Those Hammas fighters will know every inch of that ground, and no doubt have the ability to move about underground. All the miltary high-tech in the world can only do so much when it comes to urban fighting and I suspect the Israelis are not going to want to go 'toe to toe' for too long. If we are meant to believe the narrative that Hamas have evolved into this highly efficient, and tightly knit fighting force when it comes to not leaking all its plans in advance then they would have war-gamed this next phrase and will have all kinds of surprises up their sleeves. No doubt got plenty of supplies stashed away, and with all kinds of prepared postions and booby-traps. This could get very messy, very quickly. And if it does not, and the Israelis pull off some lightning quick vctory, probably poses more questions than a drawn out period of street to street fighting. Yep, I think it will get very messy. From the statements the Israelis are going to go in with overwhelming numbers and just take the hits to destroy the tunnels and I imagine anything that moves. They want to flatten Gaza and are prepared....it seems....to take the deaths to do it. The question will be how do the Arab states react....It's why Blinken is frantically going around them....no doubt saying whatever he thinks he can. Ultimately this further damages America's soft power in the region....let's hope that's the least of it. While these are all dictatorships their populations will be enraged. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Oct 2023 10.40pm)
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 14 Oct 23 11.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
All the miltary high-tech in the world can only do so much when it comes to urban fighting and I suspect the Israelis are not going to want to go 'toe to toe' for too long. If we are meant to believe the narrative that Hamas have evolved into this highly efficient, and tightly knit fighting force when it comes to not leaking all its plans in advance then they would have war-gamed this next phrase and will have all kinds of surprises up their sleeves. No doubt got plenty of supplies stashed away, and with all kinds of prepared postions and booby-traps. This could get very messy, very quickly. And if it does not, and the Israelis pull off some lightning quick vctory, probably poses more questions than a drawn out period of street to street fighting. Ground penetrating radar should show where tunnels cross roads, scrubland etc. Doubtless they may have the tech to locate living beings underground (could be hostages there). Then once ascertained that the tunnels are empty, pump them full of seawater so as they are t used again. Then move onto the next area and repeat.
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Stirlingsays 15 Oct 23 12.24am | |
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Iran has threatened direct intervention if the attacks on Gaza don't cease.....Hamas leaders seen being praised by Qatar government officials. In addition to its air attacks in Lebanon Israel has bombed Aleppo airport in Syria in the last few hours. This war looks like the end of Netanyahu and potentially his Likud party will suffer significantly for a long time due to the large scale anger and revulsion towards the government over failing to detect and stop the attack, a cabinet minister was chased out of a hospital in Tel Aviv by an angry mob when she tried to visit wounded. This means that Netanyahu will be looking to go out being known as the guy who smashed Hamas.....which means what we think it means. It's all fizzing up before the cork pops. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Oct 2023 12.33am)
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Stirlingsays 15 Oct 23 1.11am | |
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I'm also hearing that Egypt has refused to let US and other western nationals leave Gaza through the Rafah crossing. Egyptian Authorities are refusing to let western nationals leave Gaza unless the US forces Israel to accept the Rafah Border Crossing be a designated aid crossing where Egyptian and International Aid can be brought to Gaza. Will this and all the international backdoor negotiations and threats that's going on behind the scenes lead to a delay in this invasion? Hard to say. Interesting. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Oct 2023 1.17am)
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 15 Oct 23 4.52am | |
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Sadly, many civilians are still going to die. As if being forced to live in a 5hlt-hole all their lives wasn't bad enough. The taking of Gaza and building Israeli settlements will be achieved. Knowing the humanitarian disaster that is unfolding, and the Western world does nothing to calm the situation. In fact, it encourages people in Britain to wave Israeli flags. WTF ? Are we living in a civilised world where civilian casualties are just part of the body-count of warfare, at whatever cost ? At least with Arab countries now being more vocal, we might see some thought given before more military action. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (15 Oct 2023 4.54am)
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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 15 Oct 23 9.19am | |
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I am currently watching David Lammy being interviewed by Trevor Phillips. It is appalling that such an untalented MP can be a front bench spokesman for the HM Opposition. Just parroting the 'Israel has ever right to defend themselves' mantra. He even unwittingly admitted that Israel became a state because of the holocaust.
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Mapletree Croydon 15 Oct 23 9.57am | |
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Yup. Ran away from Victoria Derbyshire’s questions. A total car crash. But of course he is MP for Stamford Hill. Said he didn’t understand the law. The first black Britain to attend Harvard Law School and then a practicing Barrister Edited by Mapletree (15 Oct 2023 10.04am)
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silvertop Portishead 15 Oct 23 10.40am | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Ground penetrating radar should show where tunnels cross roads, scrubland etc. Doubtless they may have the tech to locate living beings underground (could be hostages there). Then once ascertained that the tunnels are empty, pump them full of seawater so as they are t used again. Then move onto the next area and repeat. Given your username I like this post. But I think some may be giving Hamas too much credit. The biggest issue Israel face is 123 hostages. If they decide to treat them as regrettable collateral it will be over by Tuesday and the Palestinian death toll will be vast. Then the real problems begin.
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silvertop Portishead 15 Oct 23 10.47am | |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
I am currently watching David Lammy being interviewed by Trevor Phillips. It is appalling that such an untalented MP can be a front bench spokesman for the HM Opposition. Just parroting the 'Israel has ever right to defend themselves' mantra. He even unwittingly admitted that Israel became a state because of the holocaust. He used to jump on any black cause going and was becoming something of a nuisance. So they kicked him upstairs presumably to control him and dilute his detracting qualities. The trouble is he was a natural activist but as front bench a complete fish out of water. Thank god the real work will be done by the FCO.
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 15 Oct 23 11.02am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Given your username I like this post. But I think some may be giving Hamas too much credit. The biggest issue Israel face is 123 hostages. If they decide to treat them as regrettable collateral it will be over by Tuesday and the Palestinian death toll will be vast. Then the real problems begin. Secretly, Israel may consider the hostages already dead and therefore they can focus on eliminating Hamas. However there is an issue in that some of the hostages hold dual nationality and therefore there is probably pressure from the UK and others for Israel to prioritise rescuing them. Not easy. (Username suddenly appears to be a bit unfortunate!)
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