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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 04 Mar 23 1.14am | |
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Fact checking is not as simple as you believe. Have you ever checked who funds the 'fact checker' for example? Or many/any other things going on surrounding 'fact checking'? Take a look here [Link] A bit of a long subject really.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 04 Mar 23 5.53am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, the lockdown files are very revealing, but the real reveal of power is in what the consequences are for all this. Nothing of course, because these people head the system and the system works and covers for them.....and much of the mainstream media are themselves implicated in supporting what happened. And it surprises me still (although it really shouldn't) how much my personal information has been shared between 'agencies'.
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Stirlingsays 04 Mar 23 7.21am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
And it surprises me still (although it really shouldn't) how much my personal information has been shared between 'agencies'. It's how these clowns operate, they want to control more and more of your life. Blair was pushing for digital IDs nearly twenty years ago. He's still pushing for it now and is in the ear of important politicians both foreign and domestic. With digital IDs, digital cash is a beat away from that....Essentially just a western form of social credit system...authoritarians of all forms will rejoice. Oscar Wilde had it right over a hundred years ago, 'the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy'. They sell it to the simple minded and nod alongs that it's in their interests but really it's always their own.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Mar 23 8.35am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Do wind it in WE. Your victim act really is pathetic. You know full well that there was media pressure to strangle any resistance to the 'wrong think' regarding COVID. You also know full well that despite, COVID, international inflation and a war in Europe, the sky still hasn't fallen after Brexit, despite Remain's fearmongering nonsense. Just chill out in Cornwall and spare us all your claptrap. There's a surprise. All hands to the pump when the holes on the starboard side of the ship start to sink it! Why on earth do you think I feel a "victim"? Let me reassure you I don't. My concern is not in any way about me. It's about opinions being posted as facts. It's about the circulation of misinformation. It's about exposing the tactics employed to try to avoid accepting these things have been exposed. It has nothing to do with holding different opinions on the media response to the early days of the pandemic. People who hold your type of attitude are always going to be suspicious of the media and see devious motivations in play. People like me will disagree and suggest that caution and support for the official position is both to be expected and is wise.
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Teddy Eagle 04 Mar 23 8.45am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There's a surprise. All hands to the pump when the holes on the starboard side of the ship start to sink it! Why on earth do you think I feel a "victim"? Let me reassure you I don't. My concern is not in any way about me. It's about opinions being posted as facts. It's about the circulation of misinformation. It's about exposing the tactics employed to try to avoid accepting these things have been exposed. It has nothing to do with holding different opinions on the media response to the early days of the pandemic. People who hold your type of attitude are always going to be suspicious of the media and see devious motivations in play. People like me will disagree and suggest that caution and support for the official position is both to be expected and is wise. But as the Spiked article pointed out those who respected the official position and abided by the strictures imposed were mocked and derided by those responsible for imposing them who then ignored their own instructions.
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Stirlingsays 04 Mar 23 8.45am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Thanks. Yet another laugh out loud moment. Many of your posts are far longer than that of mine, and bore the pants off me and, I suspect, all those for whom objectivity is a prerequisite. My post was not in any way subjective. It was wholly factual. The virus being man made is not proven, so claims that this is true are merely opinion. They are not the truth, and cannot be until proven true. That isn't an opinion. It's a fact. You suggesting that Facebook is part of the MSM is obvious nonsense. It's the very opposite. FB is one of the founding fathers of the alternative media. That it is very influential doesn't change that. That too is a fact. Facts aren't nonsense. Facts are facts. You should try posting some, rather than diverting and avoiding. You want questions? Why do you consistently resort to insult and pretence at superiority when faced with inconvenient facts that blow your claims out of the water? Are you not man enough to admit you were wrong? Give him a chance to ask me a serious question and this is what we get. This is very WE, you can't really take it as anything genuine. To answer the joke question he does actually provide. I occasionally mock you because your opinions and statements occasionally amuse me. Really there isn't much more to it than that. What I find amusing in life is hardly restricted to you. I've sometimes found you describe comments as insults that are quite a stretch for a political forum. Yeah, it's been known that I'm no angel, but I'm also not the villain you portray. As for being superior, surely you are projecting here. I am what I am, there are certainly smarter than me and personally while IQ is very important to society's success I've never regarded it as the most important quality in a person....that quality is loyalty. If there was nothing funny or true about what I say then it wouldn't bother you. You continually say you don't care yet also continually play the victim when anyone responds to your deliberately provocative commentary...You rarely look to compromise or be anything other than combative....that's fine but it doesn't fit well with such a thin skin.....some might say, if you don't like the heat, what are you doing in the kitchen lad? I also find it somewhat of a double standard to complain when you're regarded critically when you yourself are quite happy to be critical. I am no threat to you other than my observations, so perhaps you should try to grow some balls rather than continually looking to display them at beaches.
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Stirlingsays 04 Mar 23 8.48am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't care in the least whether you, or any other poster here, believes me. I know it to be true and that's all that matters. I am a completely normal member of normal society. Nothing odd about me. The only place where I can appear to be abnormal is where the society is itself is abnormal. This section of the Hol being one. This is an unusual, unrepresentative, repository of strange opinions. Yes WE, you are a completely normal member of normal society. There is nothing odd about you at all.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Mar 23 10.00am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But as the Spiked article pointed out those who respected the official position and abided by the strictures imposed were mocked and derided by those responsible for imposing them who then ignored their own instructions. That article pointed nothing out. It expressed some strange theories and opinions. Which it is perfectly entitled to express but whether you take them seriously is another matter. I found them extremely weird.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Mar 23 10.45am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Give him a chance to ask me a serious question and this is what we get. This is very WE, you can't really take it as anything genuine. To answer the joke question he does actually provide. I occasionally mock you because your opinions and statements occasionally amuse me. Really there isn't much more to it than that. What I find amusing in life is hardly restricted to you. I've sometimes found you describe comments as insults that are quite a stretch for a political forum. Yeah, it's been known that I'm no angel, but I'm also not the villain you portray. As for being superior, surely you are projecting here. I am what I am, there are certainly smarter than me and personally while IQ is very important to society's success I've never regarded it as the most important quality in a person....that quality is loyalty. If there was nothing funny or true about what I say then it wouldn't bother you. You continually say you don't care yet also continually play the victim when anyone responds to your deliberately provocative commentary...You rarely look to compromise or be anything other than combative....that's fine but it doesn't fit well with such a thin skin.....some might say, if you don't like the heat, what are you doing in the kitchen lad? I also find it somewhat of a double standard to complain when you're regarded critically when you yourself are quite happy to be critical. I am no threat to you other than my observations, so perhaps you should try to grow some balls rather than continually looking to display them at beaches. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Mar 2023 8.57am) There is a huge problem in asking you serious questions. You have previous. The problem is that your answers cannot be treated seriously. They are full of prejudice and assumptions that bear no resemblance to reality. Your "mocking" is nothing of the sort. It is usually an attempt to avoid answering when your hypocrisy has been exposed. You avoid, divert and insult. Possibly you are unaware that you do it, but that's not an excuse. This is the political section of a football forum. A forum which expects respect to be shown, without exceptions due to the nature of the content. It is not a political forum. That you regard loyalty as the most important personal quality is very revealing. Whilst it can be a virtue it can also be very destructive. Tyrants demand loyalty from their followers and punish disloyalty. So it depends who is the recipient of the loyalty. Bad people manipulate the loyal for bad reasons. I am not personally a victim. The victims in your posts are truth and honesty, both of which I care about. I see myself a little like Hans Litten, in that poking the pig allows the squeals to be heard. Yes, I am critical, but the criticism is intended to be directed at outcomes and not at personal qualities. Unlike yours, as you confirm, yet again, in your last sentence.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Mar 23 10.57am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
And it surprises me still (although it really shouldn't) how much my personal information has been shared between 'agencies'. I think you are worrying unnecessarily. Have you heard of the GDPR? It regulates what and how information is shared. Law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear from information sharing and much to gain, from reductions in bureaucracy, increased efficiency, safeguarding of children and the vulnerable, crime reduction and detection etc etc. Just so long as the information is only used for purposes which are in our interests all is fine. That's what the GDPR is intended to ensure.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 04 Mar 23 1.11pm | |
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Thank goodness so many lives were saved by Government decisions, and that we weren't put at risk by decisions made by pi$$ed-up idiots giving away £millions of Covid Contracts to their mates, whilst 5hagging their aides in hotels and stowing away money in off-shore accounts.
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Eaglecoops CR3 04 Mar 23 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think you are worrying unnecessarily. Have you heard of the GDPR? It regulates what and how information is shared. Law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear from information sharing and much to gain, from reductions in bureaucracy, increased efficiency, safeguarding of children and the vulnerable, crime reduction and detection etc etc. Just so long as the information is only used for purposes which are in our interests all is fine. That's what the GDPR is intended to ensure. Partially true and tempered by your last paragraph but incredibly naive for anyone to think that all information has been used for good and proper purposes. It also doesn’t always benefit you, for instance I had an incorrect marker against my credit history for something that was nothing to do with me. You cannot believe the amount of aggravation that caused and the difficulty I had getting it removed. This sort of thing happens all the time and it is the, “computer is never wrong” attitude that is to blame and difficult to redress.
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