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Stirlingsays 26 Jan 22 7.01am | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Boris is not a good leader. But, come on, this witch hunt is so transparent. Cummings went away to avoid covid, stayed at his family estate, and drove to Barnard Castle, all without contact with any other people. All of that is bullsh¦t. Cummings slags off the PM.... repeatedly....after being removed from his post.... must be telling the truth this time?... No? 17 parties at Downing Street? Seriously? That didn't get noticed earlier than now? That's almost one a month since the pandemic began. And nobody noticed.... Just, think about it. I agree, I think actual conservatives think Boris has been an almighty let down....and as someone who supported him taking the leadership I feel that keenly myself. However, at least he stood up against all those wanting to shut us down over Christmas.....if it wasn't for him I wouldn't have seen my extended family over Christmas. Yes Johnson is a liar, yes he's a clown and globalist, yes he's a lot of things but there's a lot of media manipulation and control here and if Johnson is replaced I don't want it to be because those guys called for it. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jan 2022 7.01am)
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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 26 Jan 22 7.36am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I cannot see any chance of an outright Tory win with Johnson left in the chair that will surely be the thing that concentrates the minds of their MPs. People have seen through him and I don't think there is any chance of a recovery. If he stays the best they could hope for is to be the senior partner in a coalition, which would be a very difficult deal to make. He couldn't survive that. The others wouldn't accept it. So I think he will be given a red card, probably quite soon, but perhaps he will be allowed a little more tactical rope. The next interesting question is who replaces him. We definitely don't need a clone, or another chancer. So not Gove, or Rabb. Nor Truss. Sunak looks favourite but has he got either the necessary all round experience or gravitas? My own choice would be Hunt. He is as honest as the day is long, very experienced, measured and sensible. He would lead differently and could build trust again. He is more the kind of one nation Tory I admire and could vote for. The Brexiteers would hate it, but swallow hard and still vote Tory, on the basis there is no longer anywhere else to go. With Labour all but down and out Hunt could stop, at least some, of the red wall crumbling. If the Tories want to win they need people like me to vote for them. So choose Hunt. Really? Honest and politician in the same sentence is an oxymoron...see Mapletrees post directly after yours!! Hunt is about as honest as Kevin Friend!!! Edited by the silurian (26 Jan 2022 7.41am)
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The Dolphin 26 Jan 22 8.29am | |
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Jeremy Hunt is a bigger liability than any of them!
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jan 22 8.52am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I cannot see any chance of an outright Tory win with Johnson left in the chair that will surely be the thing that concentrates the minds of their MPs. People have seen through him and I don't think there is any chance of a recovery. If he stays the best they could hope for is to be the senior partner in a coalition, which would be a very difficult deal to make. He couldn't survive that. The others wouldn't accept it. So I think he will be given a red card, probably quite soon, but perhaps he will be allowed a little more tactical rope. The next interesting question is who replaces him. We definitely don't need a clone, or another chancer. So not Gove, or Rabb. Nor Truss. Sunak looks favourite but has he got either the necessary all round experience or gravitas? My own choice would be Hunt. He is as honest as the day is long, very experienced, measured and sensible. He would lead differently and could build trust again. He is more the kind of one nation Tory I admire and could vote for. The Brexiteers would hate it, but swallow hard and still vote Tory, on the basis there is no longer anywhere else to go. With Labour all but down and out Hunt could stop, at least some, of the red wall crumbling. If the Tories want to win they need people like me to vote for them. So choose Hunt. Another Remainer pretending to be pro Brexit. Meanwhile, the country has real things to worry about, not birthday parties.
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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jan 22 9.17am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As I cannot see any chance of an outright Tory win with Johnson left in the chair that will surely be the thing that concentrates the minds of their MPs. People have seen through him and I don't think there is any chance of a recovery. If he stays the best they could hope for is to be the senior partner in a coalition, which would be a very difficult deal to make. He couldn't survive that. The others wouldn't accept it. So I think he will be given a red card, probably quite soon, but perhaps he will be allowed a little more tactical rope. The next interesting question is who replaces him. We definitely don't need a clone, or another chancer. So not Gove, or Rabb. Nor Truss. Sunak looks favourite but has he got either the necessary all round experience or gravitas? My own choice would be Hunt. He is as honest as the day is long, very experienced, measured and sensible. He would lead differently and could build trust again. He is more the kind of one nation Tory I admire and could vote for. The Brexiteers would hate it, but swallow hard and still vote Tory, on the basis there is no longer anywhere else to go. With Labour all but down and out Hunt could stop, at least some, of the red wall crumbling. If the Tories want to win they need people like me to vote for them. So choose Hunt. Seriously? That's like me saying if Labour want to win they need people like me so they should choose Corbyn or Michael Foot as their leader.
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Stirlingsays 26 Jan 22 9.30am | |
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If Johnson went the only Tory I think is up to it is David Davies....should have been the leader instead of Cameron.
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georgenorman 26 Jan 22 9.32am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Seriously? That's like me saying if Labour want to win they need people like me so they should choose Corbyn or Michael Foot as their leader. Exactly. Wisbelch will not vote Tory whoever leads them. It's just part of his absurd portrayal of himself as a 'one nation tory'.
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silvertop Portishead 26 Jan 22 9.49am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree, I think actual conservatives think Boris has been an almighty let down....and as someone who supported him taking the leadership I feel that keenly myself. However, at least he stood up against all those wanting to shut us down over Christmas.....if it wasn't for him I wouldn't have seen my extended family over Christmas. Yes Johnson is a liar, yes he's a clown and globalist, yes he's a lot of things but there's a lot of media manipulation and control here and if Johnson is replaced I don't want it to be because those guys called for it. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jan 2022 7.01am) The media hound Labour ministers out of office (Byers...). The Tories stab their own in the back.
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silvertop Portishead 26 Jan 22 9.56am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Seriously? That's like me saying if Labour want to win they need people like me so they should choose Corbyn or Michael Foot as their leader. You know precisely what he was saying! People "like him" are centrist and will migrate to those who they see as having integrity, sensible policies and the statesman gravitas to lead this country. Boris was always a populist, clinging to the shiniest star, who lacked all the above. He may have had much to say, but those around him were never going to let him say it. He will go down in history as an affable, popular puppet and figurehead for a government that "got Brexit done".
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The Dolphin 26 Jan 22 10.05am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
You know precisely what he was saying! People "like him" are centrist and will migrate to those who they see as having integrity, sensible policies and the statesman gravitas to lead this country. Boris was always a populist, clinging to the shiniest star, who lacked all the above. He may have had much to say, but those around him were never going to let him say it. He will go down in history as an affable, popular puppet and figurehead for a government that "got Brexit done". Not words one often reads about Politicians nowadays!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Jan 22 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
You know precisely what he was saying! People "like him" are centrist and will migrate to those who they see as having integrity, sensible policies and the statesman gravitas to lead this country. Boris was always a populist, clinging to the shiniest star, who lacked all the above. He may have had much to say, but those around him were never going to let him say it. He will go down in history as an affable, popular puppet and figurehead for a government that "got Brexit done". With the replies from the usual bunch as predictable as the sunrise it's nice to see at least one which understands. So, thank you. As I said Hunt would not be popular with the right wing of the Tory Party and all the "Brexit at all costs" numpties. Doesn't matter. They won't be going anywhere. A few might decide not to vote and just blow hot air on social media. Hunt is socially liberal, as I am. He would produce a return to the type of leadership we had under Cameron, who was doing OK until he bottled it under pressure from Central Office and UKIP. It's what we need if we are to stand any chance of getting through the next decade intact. Labour are unfit for office. A coalition would be OK, but I prefer a Tory government led by a real politician. Led by Hunt.
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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Jan 22 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
You know precisely what he was saying! People "like him" are centrist and will migrate to those who they see as having integrity, sensible policies and the statesman gravitas to lead this country. Boris was always a populist, clinging to the shiniest star, who lacked all the above. He may have had much to say, but those around him were never going to let him say it. He will go down in history as an affable, popular puppet and figurehead for a government that "got Brexit done". Hunt is not popular in the Tory party or in the country, (Because of the NHS. He is not a realistic candidate so I don't know why he is being suggested by a one nation Tory, it's not going to happen you might as well suggest Michael Gove. The next leader will either be Rishi or Truss I don't see anyone else at the moment.
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