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chris123 hove actually 29 Jan 21 5.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
The vaccine debacle is now entering almost kafkaesque territory. There is so much going on but the EU managed to somehow release a heavily redacted copy of their contract with AZ only for it to prove not so redacted. With all kinds of information which kick into touch so many of their justifications for acting like they are. The EU are showing themselves up in a way that an ardent Leaver like me could only dream of. And doing the most wonderful job of promoting the UK as the ideal place for outside investment. Covering themselves in s***. And doing so at the moment on an hourly basis. Edited by Matov (29 Jan 2021 4.11pm) We should think of intellectual property controls then eh?
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chris123 hove actually 29 Jan 21 5.38pm | |
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edit went wrong Edited by chris123 (29 Jan 2021 5.39pm)
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Matov 29 Jan 21 5.44pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
We should think of intellectual property controls then eh? I really do not know because this is now into politically unchartered waters. My understanding is that the law is actually on AZ's side with regards to this contract. The EU is taking extra-ordinary measures to try and bring this export ban about. I sense they are trying to provoke HMG into turning it into a tit-for-tat battle because they think that will enable them to somehow come out of this intact. But it is desperate, desperate stuff we are seeing. Beyond any kind of rational response on all kinds of levels. Which makes me wonder just what the hell this is about? It's not like the EU top bods can be sacked, is it? Or be voted out? That's the point of their s***ty organisation, deliberately set up in this manner. This is all weird now and ironically HMG are probably doing more harm to the EU by not reacting. But this is now moving forward at a pace. Not sure how much longer the UK can stay out of the fray.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Jan 21 5.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I really do not know because this is now into politically unchartered waters. My understanding is that the law is actually on AZ's side with regards to this contract. The EU is taking extra-ordinary measures to try and bring this export ban about. I sense they are trying to provoke HMG into turning it into a tit-for-tat battle because they think that will enable them to somehow come out of this intact. But it is desperate, desperate stuff we are seeing. Beyond any kind of rational response on all kinds of levels. Which makes me wonder just what the hell this is about? It's not like the EU top bods can be sacked, is it? Or be voted out? That's the point of their s***ty organisation, deliberately set up in this manner. This is all weird now and ironically HMG are probably doing more harm to the EU by not reacting. But this is now moving forward at a pace. Not sure how much longer the UK can stay out of the fray. Agreed. We can retaliate but this is people's lives I hope we can stay out of it.
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davenotamonkey 29 Jan 21 6.07pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
It’s economic suicide for one. We’re also not at war with the EU. Why all this ridiculous jingoistic rhetoric? We can be an independent nation but we still have to rely on our nearest geographical neighbours for a myriad of reasons. Raids on vaccine factories. Export controls now in place. Article 16 of the NI protocol enacted barely weeks after agreement (just to make sure no vaccine can slip through into NI). Under Northern Ireland's Brexit deal all products should be exported from the EU to NI without checks or controls. Are these people still our "friends and allies"? No. No they are not.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 29 Jan 21 6.15pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Stop with truths please tom. It does no good for tory haters. Particularly ones with rental properties which ironically has been allowed by tax loopholes. I'm sure CP declares all of his rent though! Edited by cryrst (28 Jan 2021 7.32pm) Always !
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Matov 29 Jan 21 6.20pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Are these people still our "friends and allies"? No. No they are not. This s*** is now getting scary. And I don't use that word lightly. The way in which Brussels is acting is beyond any kind of rational explanation now. They actually want a vaccine war. Which they lose in terms of the actual supply of the vaccine in question because the UK just cuts off exports of a vital ingredient while we still produce significant amounts of our own here. Yes it will slow down our vaccination progress but its a blip, not a disaster (apart from the extra lives lost of course). But they NEED London now to become the bad guys in all of this. The only explanation for what they are doing. It is actually a war of a sort now. s***, this is really moving quickly.
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steeleye20 Croydon 29 Jan 21 6.28pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Raids on vaccine factories. Export controls now in place. Article 16 of the NI protocol enacted barely weeks after agreement (just to make sure no vaccine can slip through into NI). Under Northern Ireland's Brexit deal all products should be exported from the EU to NI without checks or controls. Are these people still our "friends and allies"? No. No they are not. The UK is a third party country now, and the EU does not even have a diplomatic presence here. The rules for treatment of third party countries were devised by the UK itself. So it is goodbye from them, and goodbye from us. I am reading of the UK disquiet as I thought would happen, with such a one-sided treaty. But there is no reason to re-visit it from the EU side.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 29 Jan 21 6.28pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Well that's you out then,no punters because of boris, no money because of boris but 3 houses because of boris. Not all bad really Actually, this is correct on 2 points, no punters because of CONservative boris-tick.(he did a deal with uber when London mayor to break 300 year old taxi law with CON servative pm david and CONservative chancellor george). No taxi money because of CON servative boris-tick. The afore mentioned law break has finished the taxi game- nothing to do with corona virus-thats just the icing on the cake! These facts are with my legal team in a lawsuit against uber.(no win-no fee). Point 3. i had my properties before the CONS got to power, so no credit afforded to boris! Just saying mate, just saying.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 29 Jan 21 6.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
This s*** is now getting scary. And I don't use that word lightly. The way in which Brussels is acting is beyond any kind of rational explanation now. They actually want a vaccine war. Which they lose in terms of the actual supply of the vaccine in question because the UK just cuts off exports of a vital ingredient while we still produce significant amounts of our own here. Yes it will slow down our vaccination progress but its a blip, not a disaster (apart from the extra lives lost of course). But they NEED London now to become the bad guys in all of this. The only explanation for what they are doing. It is actually a war of a sort now. s***, this is really moving quickly.
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Matov 29 Jan 21 6.31pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK is a third party country now, and the EU does not even have a diplomatic presence here. The rules for treatment of third party countries were devised by the UK itself. So it is goodbye from them, and goodbye from us. I am reading of the UK disquiet as I thought would happen, with such a one-sided treaty. But there is no reason to re-visit it from the EU side. Tell me how effectively making the Irish border a 'hard' one helps anybody? How many vaccines or related products cross over there? A serious question. How many Southern Irish exports cross that border? Seriously, who does this actually help? Can you offer a single positive for Southern Ireland from this turn of events? It is a shocking development. Utterly insane.
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chris123 hove actually 29 Jan 21 6.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I really do not know because this is now into politically unchartered waters. My understanding is that the law is actually on AZ's side with regards to this contract. The EU is taking extra-ordinary measures to try and bring this export ban about. I sense they are trying to provoke HMG into turning it into a tit-for-tat battle because they think that will enable them to somehow come out of this intact. But it is desperate, desperate stuff we are seeing. Beyond any kind of rational response on all kinds of levels. Which makes me wonder just what the hell this is about? It's not like the EU top bods can be sacked, is it? Or be voted out? That's the point of their s***ty organisation, deliberately set up in this manner. This is all weird now and ironically HMG are probably doing more harm to the EU by not reacting. But this is now moving forward at a pace. Not sure how much longer the UK can stay out of the fray. The Oxford side of the Oxford Joint Venture as been working on high risk viruses for ages. AZ are bringing volume rather than science.
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