All very fair points well made. The issue I believe is Roy has taken this group of players as far as he can. We are not going to change the entire team over night so the core of the team is going to remain pretty much unchanged with a few new faces thrown in. He only has a one year contract anyway so what is the real point of him staying. I think a new manager with fresh ideas might just scrape us through the coming season, alas I fear Roy will not.

The choices are limited however, we may well be damned if we do change, damned if we don't. Parish needs to realise what a crucial point in our recent history this is and convince his spendthrift co-conspirators that they need to speculate to accumulate.

Believe me I find the football at the moment absolutely awful to watch and just as boring as you do and like everyone else on here I am angry most Saturday afternoons and I ask myself why do I put myself through this and I don’t always defend Roy as sometimes he boils my blood.

But.. as I said yesterday when I calm down after a game I look at the squad and say to myself what other players can he play? We have played a lot of the season with long term injuries to Benteke, Schlupp, Townsend, Sakho, Kelly, and then we have other players have missed a lot of games. Tomkins has also missed a lot of games.

We have 1 right back who has been a great servant to the club but is now out of his depth and should only be a squad player.

1 out and out striker who coupled with injuries and god knows what else can’t even kick a ball let alone score.

Our lack of left sided players cripples us in a lot of games with McCarthur at times covering that role. These just are some of the issues, then we have an ageing squad and we must have the slowest combines squad in the history of football which is a massive reason why we play as we do. When you have Dann, Sakho and Ward, in your defence it would be criminal to leave them exposed. All of this then we have a lot of players who are just not good enough anymore. None of this is Roy’s fault. He has tried to get a right back since AWB left but the club failed, he has tried to get a striker but the club let him down. The club won’t spend the money for reasons unknown to us fans and this is where we are.

The team basically picks itself every week and then when you look at the bench what are the options? Meyer or Riedewald. Riedewald is a centre back or defensive midfielder so why people scream for him to change a game I’ll never know. In my opinion from what Iv seen his best position is on the bench. Then we have Meyer who may just be at the wrong club but he hasn’t done anything to warrant a starting place he has had a lot of time to impress in training at least. ( I think there is more than meets the eye on the Meyer situation). We have the young players who again are not good enough because if they were they would play. People accuse Roy of only picking favourites but there is no way in hell that he would not play someone if they were better than someone else. From what I seen of our young lads they will have careers in league 1 or 2.

Yes, our football is awful. Yes it is boring, but Roy doesn’t tell the players to not score to not hit a pass to a team mate to not take a decent corner. We play most games with 3 out and out attacking players, It is not as if we play 5-4-1 just hoofing long balls up to a big man, Roy has is flaws but our players have more flaws and the lack of signings is criminal.

Good posts being made.