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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 20 3.04pm | |
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Got him!!! [Tweet Link]
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 02 Jun 20 3.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Norwegians should be kneeling down in front of whales Funny!
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 02 Jun 20 3.07pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
You don't have to feel guilty. And it's not about slavery, although obviously that is extremely important to recognise in a historical context. It's about recognising that it's tougher for black people in general compared to white people. There have been several on this thread who have talked of their own crappy upbringings and making a decent life for themselves despite of that. That's brilliant and no one is taking that away from anyone. What people didn't also have against them was anything further holding them back because of the colour of their skin. I do not believe that many people are consciously racist - it is more something is more ingrained in society. Confirmation bias is a very real thing when it comes to making a selection. People are naturally more likely to favour someone that looks like them, speaks like them, thinks like them etc. This is where the system is rigged against the non-white members of people living in a society that is largely governed by, big business run by, and have influential figures of society are largely white. For all those saying 'All Lives Matter', you will not find one person that disagrees with you, but you are very much missing the point, whether purposely or not. All lives will not matter until black lives also matter, until Asian lives also matter, until everyone matters equally. When you see what is happening on the news, when a black person is maltreated, really challenge your currently held believes and ask yourself 'would the same really happen to a white person?'. If you can consciously look yourself in a mirror and say yes then fine, that's the decision you have come to. But just try and put yourself in the shoes of people that have to live with the treatment that has been dished out to George Floyd and the many others. On a more serious note There have been a few studies around sub-conscious racist bias, involving amygdala response studies looking at areas of the brain that initiate things like fear responses based on visual stimulus – what's called an IAT or Implicit Association Test. Studies have been ongoing since 2005 on this subject, which I personally find really fascinating. Candidates were shown a series of peoples faces who were all of different races. The fear response was often triggered most upon seeing images of black people. The really interesting thing was that in some cases, peoples brains fought back against the fear response, in effect trying to rebalance their own racial conditioning. The wider context of the study was based around the hypothesis that racism is not only prevalent at a sub-conscious, conditioned level, but that stimulus from birth leads the brain to react in the way described above due to the way black people are portrayed in the media, news, film, literature – the 'black stereotype' is more nuanced but arguably alive and well. I'd say the only place it isn't really that nuanced is on the terraces. And I call it out when I hear it – as I've said before I used to sit in front of two complete specimens and had several verbals with them over the course of 3 or 4 seasons – absolute yokels who had no social awareness, and, were racist. Thankfully whoever was somehow providing them with employment seemingly terminated their income and they either moved or hopefully gave up their season tickets.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 02 Jun 20 3.08pm | |
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Are these people actually 'Antifa' or just the usual riot yobs that turn up every time there's unrest, no matter what society. Note the 'alleged'
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Jun 20 3.08pm | |
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Most immigrant communities are focused on prospects and the career you’ll do. Unfortunately this isn’t the case as much in much of the black community. A completely different culture apart from some African cultures.
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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 20 3.08pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
You don't have to feel guilty. And it's not about slavery, although obviously that is extremely important to recognise in a historical context. It's about recognising that it's tougher for black people in general compared to white people. There have been several on this thread who have talked of their own crappy upbringings and making a decent life for themselves despite of that. That's brilliant and no one is taking that away from anyone. What people didn't also have against them was anything further holding them back because of the colour of their skin. I do not believe that many people are consciously racist - it is more something is more ingrained in society. Confirmation bias is a very real thing when it comes to making a selection. People are naturally more likely to favour someone that looks like them, speaks like them, thinks like them etc. This is where the system is rigged against the non-white members of people living in a society that is largely governed by, big business run by, and have influential figures of society are largely white. For all those saying 'All Lives Matter', you will not find one person that disagrees with you, but you are very much missing the point, whether purposely or not. All lives will not matter until black lives also matter, until Asian lives also matter, until everyone matters equally. When you see what is happening on the news, when a black person is maltreated, really challenge your currently held believes and ask yourself 'would the same really happen to a white person?'. If you can consciously look yourself in a mirror and say yes then fine, that's the decision you have come to. But just try and put yourself in the shoes of people that have to live with the treatment that has been dished out to George Floyd and the many others. Brainwashed cringe. Where is the evidence for white societies being any different to any other society? Conscious bias is human nature. Anyone criticising others for thoughts has lost the plot. As for bias, what was it that you mate Stormzy said again? 'I'm not anti white, I'm just pro black'. You push double standards for people dependent upon their skin colour and then call others racist.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 02 Jun 20 3.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Oh the old dated 'house on fire'.....Cringe. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 3.03pm) Makes the point perfectly.
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Stirlingsays 02 Jun 20 3.10pm | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Are these people actually 'Antifa' or just the usual riot yobs that turn up every time there's unrest, no matter what society. Note the 'alleged' We will find out....I suspect they are whatever they think is what the audience in front of them wants to hear. Regardless he needs to pay for what he did.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 02 Jun 20 3.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Brainwashed cringe. Where is the evidence for white societies being any different to any other society? Conscious bias is human nature. Anyone criticising others for thoughts has lost the plot. As for bias, what was it that you mate Stormzy said again? 'I'm not anti white, I'm just pro black'. You push double standards for people dependent upon their skin colour and then call others racist. This is fair, racism isn't exclusive to white/black or black/white. However, to spin it round, there is a clear difference between saying 'I'm not anti-black, I'm just pro-white' and 'I'm anti-black and pro-white'
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 02 Jun 20 3.18pm | |
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This whole Antifa thing has somehow passed me by, i would say i have a keen interest in politics and have heard of Antifa but never took the time to look them up and see what they are about.I"m guessing that these football lads marches and the like, where one can assume have a large majority of more right wing thinking people, actually love the Antifa chaps to turn out, and as much as they hate them, would be disappointed if a march down park lane on to trafalgar square didn"t have the added buzz of the Antifa pincer movement in the side streets!
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 02 Jun 20 3.24pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
This whole Antifa thing has somehow passed me by, i would say i have a keen interest in politics and have heard of Antifa but never took the time to look them up and see what they are about.I"m guessing that these football lads marches and the like, where one can assume have a large majority of more right wing thinking people, actually love the Antifa chaps to turn out, and as much as they hate them, would be disappointed if a march down park lane on to trafalgar square didn"t have the added buzz of the Antifa pincer movement in the side streets! We should pit them against each other on University Challenge
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DanH SW2 02 Jun 20 3.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Brainwashed cringe. Where is the evidence for white societies being any different to any other society? Conscious bias is human nature. Anyone criticising others for thoughts has lost the plot. As for bias, what was it that you mate Stormzy said again? 'I'm not anti white, I'm just pro black'. You push double standards for people dependent upon their skin colour and then call others racist. It's trying to get black people up level and equal with white people. Not to try and drag white people down. It's not that hard to see is it?
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