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Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Sep 17 8.56am
Originally posted by susmik I do not think you have read all of this thread as if you had you would know what I meant about the "vile" things being said about SP. (maybe re-word it to NASTY things) He just did not deserve it in my opinion and also he did have the guts to admit to his mistakes and come on and speak to us and explain a few things which I might add other chairman would not have done so. I give SP credit for what he is trying to achieve even if there are a few hiccups along the way and hurdles to cross standing in our way. Tell us what nasty things have been said then. Unless you can tell us you're going to look about 4 running to his mummy. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 20 Sep 17 8.56am

Originally posted by susmik

I do not think you have read all of this thread as if you had you would know what I meant about the "vile" things being said about SP. (maybe re-word it to NASTY things) He just did not deserve it in my opinion and also he did have the guts to admit to his mistakes and come on and speak to us and explain a few things which I might add other chairman would not have done so.
I give SP credit for what he is trying to achieve even if there are a few hiccups along the way and hurdles to cross standing in our way.

Tell us what nasty things have been said then. Unless you can tell us you're going to look about 4 running to his mummy.

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Hambo Crawley 20 Sep 17 11.05am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The in-house transfer discussions and actually having Frank understand what he's required to do and us actually doing something would've been more productive with Parish there face to face, yes, not water boarding or karaoke singing. If you think that's laughable then maybe you are wedded to the defence of Sir Steve II. The alternatives would've been better. Just look at this mess. Trying to achieve the unachievable unless it's done over 3 windows. I bet it is difficult running CPFC. Parish sounds under immense pressure, is making mistakes repeatedly, hence he should be hiring an experienced football man. You're defending him, fair enough. I'm providing solutions, which is what he said. Would he like this solution? Hmmm. Give up close contact with the football side? Don't see what your point on Roy, you or me is. I think it's a case of it'll produce a response but we may run out of time like Benitez did at Newcastle. That isn't a criticism of Roy, more a criticism of us being a mess and then with zero after 5 and very little after 8. But Roy was also hired because of our mess and points, very few, or any, will want it. So Parish sacked Frank because to let it get to where he thought it would go would be negligence. It's not only negligence it's more negligent than it already was. He needs help, will he do that? I've heard from the training ground there has been arguments amongst the players. If you disagree with that then fair enough but the person it came from is there and has nothing to gain. Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Sep 2017 3.10pm) I conduct my work with my team based in Motherwell from Reading. It's not the 80's, it's extremely easy to use basic technology to have face to face meetings even if the good old phone or email doesn't do it fir you. To suggest otherwise is laughable. You've just made a statement that the alternatives would be better. Where does that certainty come from? Which alternatives? Did you say so on the appointment of FDB or wait until it failed? You can't say the alternatives would be better any more than I can say they wouldn't. I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm just pointing out the certainty you attack from is built on an assumption. That's not opinion, it's fact. There's always arguments at the training ground, but seemingly you haven't heard what I have so best not to carry that on. It could only ever be called speculation as you can't betray confidences. We're not going to agree though, you don't get what I'm saying. That's ok. HOL Radio Lead Presenter and sampler of processed meats HOL radio - Sunday nights [Link] HOL Radio Twitter: [Tweet Link] My Twitter: [Tweet Link]
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Crawley 20 Sep 17 11.05am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The in-house transfer discussions and actually having Frank understand what he's required to do and us actually doing something would've been more productive with Parish there face to face, yes, not water boarding or karaoke singing. If you think that's laughable then maybe you are wedded to the defence of Sir Steve II.

The alternatives would've been better. Just look at this mess. Trying to achieve the unachievable unless it's done over 3 windows.

I bet it is difficult running CPFC. Parish sounds under immense pressure, is making mistakes repeatedly, hence he should be hiring an experienced football man. You're defending him, fair enough. I'm providing solutions, which is what he said. Would he like this solution? Hmmm. Give up close contact with the football side?

Don't see what your point on Roy, you or me is. I think it's a case of it'll produce a response but we may run out of time like Benitez did at Newcastle. That isn't a criticism of Roy, more a criticism of us being a mess and then with zero after 5 and very little after 8. But Roy was also hired because of our mess and points, very few, or any, will want it. So Parish sacked Frank because to let it get to where he thought it would go would be negligence. It's not only negligence it's more negligent than it already was.

He needs help, will he do that?

I've heard from the training ground there has been arguments amongst the players. If you disagree with that then fair enough but the person it came from is there and has nothing to gain.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Sep 2017 3.10pm)

I conduct my work with my team based in Motherwell from Reading. It's not the 80's, it's extremely easy to use basic technology to have face to face meetings even if the good old phone or email doesn't do it fir you. To suggest otherwise is laughable.

You've just made a statement that the alternatives would be better. Where does that certainty come from? Which alternatives? Did you say so on the appointment of FDB or wait until it failed? You can't say the alternatives would be better any more than I can say they wouldn't. I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm just pointing out the certainty you attack from is built on an assumption. That's not opinion, it's fact.

There's always arguments at the training ground, but seemingly you haven't heard what I have so best not to carry that on. It could only ever be called speculation as you can't betray confidences.

We're not going to agree though, you don't get what I'm saying. That's ok.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Sep 17 11.22am
Originally posted by Hambo I conduct my work with my team based in Motherwell from Reading. It's not the 80's, it's extremely easy to use basic technology to have face to face meetings even if the good old phone or email doesn't do it fir you. To suggest otherwise is laughable. You've just made a statement that the alternatives would be better. Where does that certainty come from? Which alternatives? Did you say so on the appointment of FDB or wait until it failed? You can't say the alternatives would be better any more than I can say they wouldn't. I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm just pointing out the certainty you attack from is built on an assumption. That's not opinion, it's fact. There's always arguments at the training ground, but seemingly you haven't heard what I have so best not to carry that on. It could only ever be called speculation as you can't betray confidences. We're not going to agree though, you don't get what I'm saying. That's ok. It's laughable you think a new employee without the experience of English club transfer workings is going to deliver equal results with communication only by phone and Skype etc. God the evidence is already there. Certainty of other alternatives. Just look at what he did, look at the others and what they're doing and have already done, in this leagu, the major prerequisite Parish had but forgot. I said so on the appointment of Frank. It's on hol. My opinion on Roy is it may happen, or we may run out of time, or Benteke may get injured next week and it's all over. There aren't any alternatives at the moment anyway. Any costing large compo won't come ATM. 'The certainty I attack from' is ironically built on some of the things Parish approached with. You say I 'attack' with assumptions that are illogical, yet have based them on some of the very logic Parish has used before. With regards to the errors Parish has made recently, maybe you could explain the logic there. No we're not going to agree. I do get where you're coming from. You'll defend it to its very worst, but that's okay also. Loyalty to the club means different things to different people. Parish needs to have an experienced football man there, that's the crux of it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Sep 2017 11.24am) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 20 Sep 17 11.22am

Originally posted by Hambo

There's always arguments at the training ground, but seemingly you haven't heard what I have so best not to carry that on. It could only ever be called speculation as you can't betray confidences.

We're not going to agree though, you don't get what I'm saying. That's ok.

It's laughable you think a new employee without the experience of English club transfer workings is going to deliver equal results with communication only by phone and Skype etc. God the evidence is already there.

Certainty of other alternatives. Just look at what he did, look at the others and what they're doing and have already done, in this leagu, the major prerequisite Parish had but forgot.

I said so on the appointment of Frank. It's on hol. My opinion on Roy is it may happen, or we may run out of time, or Benteke may get injured next week and it's all over. There aren't any alternatives at the moment anyway. Any costing large compo won't come ATM.

'The certainty I attack from' is ironically built on some of the things Parish approached with.

You say I 'attack' with assumptions that are illogical, yet have based them on some of the very logic Parish has used before. With regards to the errors Parish has made recently, maybe you could explain the logic there.

No we're not going to agree. I do get where you're coming from. You'll defend it to its very worst, but that's okay also. Loyalty to the club means different things to different people. Parish needs to have an experienced football man there, that's the crux of it.

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Charlie Croker Hampshire 20 Sep 17 12.39pm
Originally posted by Goldfiinger Whats wrong with Parish being paid? Noades used to help himself to far far more even before the crazy days of TV money started. And we bemoan Parish for paying himself an executive wage... Edited by Goldfiinger (19 Sep 2017 5.24pm) Although he does state quite clearly in the interview that he doesn't get paid. “My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Whats wrong with Parish being paid?

Noades used to help himself to far far more even before the crazy days of TV money started. And we bemoan Parish for paying himself an executive wage...

Edited by Goldfiinger (19 Sep 2017 5.24pm)

Although he does state quite clearly in the interview that he doesn't get paid.

“My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."

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Hambo Crawley 20 Sep 17 12.43pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman It's laughable you think a new employee without the experience of English club transfer workings is going to deliver equal results with communication only by phone and Skype etc. God the evidence is already there. Certainty of other alternatives. Just look at what he did, look at the others and what they're doing and have already done, in this leagu, the major prerequisite Parish had but forgot. I said so on the appointment of Frank. It's on hol. My opinion on Roy is it may happen, or we may run out of time, or Benteke may get injured next week and it's all over. There aren't any alternatives at the moment anyway. Any costing large compo won't come ATM. 'The certainty I attack from' is ironically built on some of the things Parish approached with. You say I 'attack' with assumptions that are illogical, yet have based them on some of the very logic Parish has used before. With regards to the errors Parish has made recently, maybe you could explain the logic there. No we're not going to agree. I do get where you're coming from. You'll defend it to its very worst, but that's okay also. Loyalty to the club means different things to different people. Parish needs to have an experienced football man there, that's the crux of it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Sep 2017 11.24am) I find it incredible that you're clinging onto to the lazy, weak and untrue claim about holiday. Been away from posting on these boards, perhaps that kind of thing passes for a debate these days but you've proven nothing and are supposing everything. I'm not going to search out your opinion on Frank, just answer the question I asked you. You clearly haven't understood if you are citing loyalty as my motivation. You not considered that my motivation is I think you are demonstrably wrong? HOL Radio Lead Presenter and sampler of processed meats HOL radio - Sunday nights [Link] HOL Radio Twitter: [Tweet Link] My Twitter: [Tweet Link]
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Crawley 20 Sep 17 12.43pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Certainty of other alternatives. Just look at what he did, look at the others and what they're doing and have already done, in this leagu, the major prerequisite Parish had but forgot.

'The certainty I attack from' is ironically built on some of the things Parish approached with.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Sep 2017 11.24am)

I find it incredible that you're clinging onto to the lazy, weak and untrue claim about holiday. Been away from posting on these boards, perhaps that kind of thing passes for a debate these days but you've proven nothing and are supposing everything.

I'm not going to search out your opinion on Frank, just answer the question I asked you.

You clearly haven't understood if you are citing loyalty as my motivation. You not considered that my motivation is I think you are demonstrably wrong?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Sep 17 12.53pm
Originally posted by Hambo I find it incredible that you're clinging onto to the lazy, weak and untrue claim about holiday. Been away from posting on these boards, perhaps that kind of thing passes for a debate these days but you've proven nothing and are supposing everything. I'm not going to search out your opinion on Frank, just answer the question I asked you. You clearly haven't understood if you are citing loyalty as my motivation. You not considered that my motivation is I think you are demonstrably wrong? You find it incredible and I find it incredible that you think someone new is not going to have this physical, presence, help, assistance of the person holding all the strings being there. But so be it. We think the opposite, the transfer operations between the 2 was a mess. What this question, 'You've just made a statement that the alternatives would be better. Where does that certainty come from? Which alternatives? Did you say so on the appointment of FDB or wait until it failed?' Yes I did. I didn't agree with Frank, see the logic and all that. Going by the complete surprise of this leftfield choice, maybe other people deep down didn't see it either. My concerns were multiplied once '3-4-3' left his lips. My alternatives were the main 3. It's on HOL, everyone read it. A couple of other posters agreed. COYP
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Caterham 20 Sep 17 12.53pm

Originally posted by Hambo

I'm not going to search out your opinion on Frank, just answer the question I asked you.

You clearly haven't understood if you are citing loyalty as my motivation. You not considered that my motivation is I think you are demonstrably wrong?

You find it incredible and I find it incredible that you think someone new is not going to have this physical, presence, help, assistance of the person holding all the strings being there. But so be it. We think the opposite, the transfer operations between the 2 was a mess.

What this question, 'You've just made a statement that the alternatives would be better. Where does that certainty come from? Which alternatives? Did you say so on the appointment of FDB or wait until it failed?'

Yes I did. I didn't agree with Frank, see the logic and all that. Going by the complete surprise of this leftfield choice, maybe other people deep down didn't see it either. My concerns were multiplied once '3-4-3' left his lips. My alternatives were the main 3. It's on HOL, everyone read it. A couple of other posters agreed.

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Hambo Crawley 20 Sep 17 1.38pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman You find it incredible and I find it incredible that you think someone new is not going to have this physical, presence, help, assistance of the person holding all the strings being there. But so be it. We think the opposite, the transfer operations between the 2 was a mess. What this question, 'You've just made a statement that the alternatives would be better. Where does that certainty come from? Which alternatives? Did you say so on the appointment of FDB or wait until it failed?' Yes I did. I didn't agree with Frank, see the logic and all that. Going by the complete surprise of this leftfield choice, maybe other people deep down didn't see it either. My concerns were multiplied once '3-4-3' left his lips. My alternatives were the main 3. It's on HOL, everyone read it. A couple of other posters agreed. Well there we are. I consider that weak at best and I feel that's me being generous Yes, that question. I didn't read what you said at the time. Nor did "everyone" - I asked a legitimate question. Obviously you think a lot of yourself to think that not only did "everyone" read it but they are still able to recall it with clarity. It's rare I have time to get on HOL these days, so sorry if my asking you something offends you. Only got time now as I happen to be on jury service and have some downtime. Drop me a PM if you ever come up with a cogent argument and I'll pop back on HOL Radio Lead Presenter and sampler of processed meats HOL radio - Sunday nights [Link] HOL Radio Twitter: [Tweet Link] My Twitter: [Tweet Link]
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Crawley 20 Sep 17 1.38pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Well there we are. I consider that weak at best and I feel that's me being generous

Yes, that question. I didn't read what you said at the time. Nor did "everyone" - I asked a legitimate question. Obviously you think a lot of yourself to think that not only did "everyone" read it but they are still able to recall it with clarity.

It's rare I have time to get on HOL these days, so sorry if my asking you something offends you. Only got time now as I happen to be on jury service and have some downtime.

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youngpalacefan111 20 Sep 17 1.43pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Tell us what nasty things have been said then. Unless you can tell us you're going to look about 4 running to his mummy. Heres one of your beauties, maybe not nasty but moronic statements. I keep telling you to have a break from football manager pal. "If parish took my advice he'd have flown back from Spain and gone all out for silva and if not given it to Dyche. Now going by past and recent performance I'd estimate that meaning 4+ points, possibly 9, then saving £2 mil comply and very likely the many millions and years in the championship, so yeah, i reckon I've got more of an idea on football than parish."
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Tell us what nasty things have been said then. Unless you can tell us you're going to look about 4 running to his mummy.

Heres one of your beauties, maybe not nasty but moronic statements. I keep telling you to have a break from football manager pal.

"If parish took my advice he'd have flown back from Spain and gone all out for silva and if not given it to Dyche. Now going by past and recent performance I'd estimate that meaning 4+ points, possibly 9, then saving £2 mil comply and very likely the many millions and years in the championship, so yeah, i reckon I've got more of an idea on football than parish."

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Sep 17 1.44pm
Originally posted by Hambo Well there we are. I consider that weak at best and I feel that's me being generous Yes, that question. I didn't read what you said at the time. Nor did "everyone" - I asked a legitimate question. Obviously you think a lot of yourself to think that not only did "everyone" read it but they are still able to recall it with clarity. It's rare I have time to get on HOL these days, so sorry if my asking you something offends you. Only got time now as I happen to be on jury service and have some downtime. Drop me a PM if you ever come up with a cogent argument and I'll pop back on I can't actually be bothered any more because it's going to go round in circles. I gave my point of view. I didn't agree with it then, gave reasons, plenty of which Parish has forgotten were his rquirements, which is pretty much where & how it went wrong. I'm going to leave it there because we won't agree. But you also haven't supplied any logic to what Parish did on Frank. You've just said I'm being illogical, when you're defending something or someone who's ignored his own logic. COYP
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Caterham 20 Sep 17 1.44pm

Originally posted by Hambo

Well there we are. I consider that weak at best and I feel that's me being generous

It's rare I have time to get on HOL these days, so sorry if my asking you something offends you. Only got time now as I happen to be on jury service and have some downtime.

Drop me a PM if you ever come up with a cogent argument and I'll pop back on

I can't actually be bothered any more because it's going to go round in circles. I gave my point of view. I didn't agree with it then, gave reasons, plenty of which Parish has forgotten were his rquirements, which is pretty much where & how it went wrong.

I'm going to leave it there because we won't agree. But you also haven't supplied any logic to what Parish did on Frank. You've just said I'm being illogical, when you're defending something or someone who's ignored his own logic.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Sep 17 1.50pm
Originally posted by youngpalacefan111 Heres one of your beauties, maybe not nasty but moronic statements. I keep telling you to have a break from football manager pal. "If parish took my advice he'd have flown back from Spain and gone all out for silva and if not given it to Dyche. Now going by past and recent performance I'd estimate that meaning 4+ points, possibly 9, then saving £2 mil comply and very likely the many millions and years in the championship, so yeah, i reckon I've got more of an idea on football than parish." Yeah at this present time. What makes you think Parish is any more qualified than anyone else who has never played or been involved in football? I go back to my 'suggestion of a sollution', which is what Parish suggests, but only mentions the irrational Twitter garbage. Get a bl00dy experienced football man in. Not a yes man or someone learning the job. If we can waste God knows how much on mistakes and repairing them, only to create more, then we can afford an experienced man. 20th richest club aren't we? For now. If I were in his position I would, as I've said, not believing I could do better on my own, becasue as is being proved, that is very difficult to achieve, and not happening. Therefore my comments are constructive, however how upsetting for your eyes it is to read. COYP
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Caterham 20 Sep 17 1.50pm

Originally posted by youngpalacefan111

Heres one of your beauties, maybe not nasty but moronic statements. I keep telling you to have a break from football manager pal.

Yeah at this present time. What makes you think Parish is any more qualified than anyone else who has never played or been involved in football?

I go back to my 'suggestion of a sollution', which is what Parish suggests, but only mentions the irrational Twitter garbage. Get a bl00dy experienced football man in. Not a yes man or someone learning the job. If we can waste God knows how much on mistakes and repairing them, only to create more, then we can afford an experienced man. 20th richest club aren't we? For now.

If I were in his position I would, as I've said, not believing I could do better on my own, becasue as is being proved, that is very difficult to achieve, and not happening. Therefore my comments are constructive, however how upsetting for your eyes it is to read.

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Charlie Croker Hampshire 20 Sep 17 2.51pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Yeah at this present time. What makes you think Parish is any more qualified than anyone else who has never played or been involved in football? I go back to my 'suggestion of a sollution', which is what Parish suggests, but only mentions the irrational Twitter garbage. Get a bl00dy experienced football man in. Not a yes man or someone learning the job. If we can waste God knows how much on mistakes and repairing them, only to create more, then we can afford an experienced man. 20th richest club aren't we? For now. If I were in his position I would, as I've said, not believing I could do better on my own, becasue as is being proved, that is very difficult to achieve, and not happening. Therefore my comments are constructive, however how upsetting for your eyes it is to read. We have a Chairman with multiple years experience running big companies - albeit only 7 at CPFC, a new DoF with a fair amount of experience (possibly appointed too late for much in the last window) and a CEO who has been at CPFC for 20+ years. Now - quite plainly it would be daft to argue that none of the 3 have ever made mistakes (everyone does) and if FDB going and RH coming in results in relegation, then the FDB appointment could absolutely be seen as the mistake. But, aside from feeling it was wrong at the outset, none of us knew with any certainty it wouldn't work out - don't forget, Coppell came in young and with no experience. Just a question and I have no desire to get into an argument, but what 'experienced football man' do you think could do a better job for us? And in what capacity exactly? “My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yeah at this present time. What makes you think Parish is any more qualified than anyone else who has never played or been involved in football?

I go back to my 'suggestion of a sollution', which is what Parish suggests, but only mentions the irrational Twitter garbage. Get a bl00dy experienced football man in. Not a yes man or someone learning the job. If we can waste God knows how much on mistakes and repairing them, only to create more, then we can afford an experienced man. 20th richest club aren't we? For now.

We have a Chairman with multiple years experience running big companies - albeit only 7 at CPFC, a new DoF with a fair amount of experience (possibly appointed too late for much in the last window) and a CEO who has been at CPFC for 20+ years.

Now - quite plainly it would be daft to argue that none of the 3 have ever made mistakes (everyone does) and if FDB going and RH coming in results in relegation, then the FDB appointment could absolutely be seen as the mistake. But, aside from feeling it was wrong at the outset, none of us knew with any certainty it wouldn't work out - don't forget, Coppell came in young and with no experience.

Just a question and I have no desire to get into an argument, but what 'experienced football man' do you think could do a better job for us? And in what capacity exactly?

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Sep 17 3.02pm
Originally posted by Charlie Croker We have a Chairman with multiple years experience running big companies - albeit only 7 at CPFC, a new DoF with a fair amount of experience (possibly appointed too late for much in the last window) and a CEO who has been at CPFC for 20+ years. Now - quite plainly it would be daft to argue that none of the 3 have ever made mistakes (everyone does) and if FDB going and RH coming in results in relegation, then the FDB appointment could absolutely be seen as the mistake. But, aside from feeling it was wrong at the outset, none of us knew with any certainty it wouldn't work out - don't forget, Coppell came in young and with no experience. Just a question and I have no desire to get into an argument, but what 'experienced football man' do you think could do a better job for us? And in what capacity exactly? This gets asked to people on here and the bbs and not this time, but often, for people to prove there somehow is no option anywhere and the only person possibly able to make football decisions in SE25 is SP. 'Who' would be for the club to decide. They have more knowledge of people and contacts in football on a day to day basis. This is a prem club with lots of staff, people talking to people here and there everyday with revenue that puts us in the business top 20 worldwide. It's not us getting by like it used to be. I'm not going to comment on Phil Alexander. Not really where this topic is anyway. COYP
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Caterham 20 Sep 17 3.02pm

Originally posted by Charlie Croker

Just a question and I have no desire to get into an argument, but what 'experienced football man' do you think could do a better job for us? And in what capacity exactly?

This gets asked to people on here and the bbs and not this time, but often, for people to prove there somehow is no option anywhere and the only person possibly able to make football decisions in SE25 is SP.

'Who' would be for the club to decide. They have more knowledge of people and contacts in football on a day to day basis. This is a prem club with lots of staff, people talking to people here and there everyday with revenue that puts us in the business top 20 worldwide. It's not us getting by like it used to be.

I'm not going to comment on Phil Alexander. Not really where this topic is anyway.

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