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 Lyons550  Shirley 20 Apr 17 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Rights for BME could also come under anti discrimanatory rights, but have nuanced differences from LGBT rights which is why (I think) there is a distinction. These groups revel in their identity and as such create a large part of the discrimination themselves as it gives them a platform to wail from. None of them want to be part of the 'normalised' population...as they wouldn't then feel precious.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Apr 17 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
That's just a dream of a perfect society. I ask again, how does the issue of gay rights affect someone who isn't gay? Answer.... it doesn't. Even if one of your siblings or children was gay?
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Kermit8  Hevon 20 Apr 17 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
That's just a dream of a perfect society. I ask again, how does the issue of gay rights affect someone who isn't gay? Answer.... it doesn't. You don't read my posts any more
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| Kermit8 Hevon 20 Apr 17 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You make a fair point Kermie. Of course gay rights are not particularly significant for the majority in a direct personal sense but the principles they represent should always be significant in how we want society to be. Amen to that
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 20 Apr 17 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
My wife's french and she will be voting for him. We were in France at the weekend and I saw no evidence of a fading campaign. I predict he will win, but it is close and I could well be wrong. I can name a number of his policies and I'm not French and live in London. I see no reason why his background precludes him from being a good President with plenty to offer. Also I think he spent most of his time at school in his home town of Amiens and went to a local school. Miliband is the son of Polish Jewish immigrants. Not sure that falls under the heading of Noblesse Oblige. I think that when his political beliefs seem so closely tied to his former profession as an investment banker then you can make the argument. He went straight from the finance district in to politics as an economic minister, and was key in pushing Hollande's business friendly reforms through. Now he's being bankrolled by pharmaceutical NGOs, bankers and property moguls. To me, that always sounds alarms about a politician who claims to be working in the best interests of the people. You're right about Milliband tbf. Think I just have a slight blind animosity for anyone who walks away petulantly from their constituency like he did after losing a leadership election. But anywhoo, back to the GE...Corbyn seems to be channelling the energy and tenacity that saw him overcome the odds and become Labour leader, which is good. I think realistically, he's aiming for an improvement on Milliband's result, which should cement the left within the Labour Party and hopefully frighten the Tories out of their most b@stard-friendly desires.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Apr 17 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Even if one of your siblings or children was gay? Clearly and this is where Kermit and I agree it would...but then that's what I said in my first post. it still stands (based on Kermies sound reasoning) that it's a minority at the moment.
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| Nest 20 Apr 17 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Of course gay rights are not particularly significant for the majority in a direct personal sense but the principles they represent should always be significant in how we want society to be. This
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Apr 17 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I didn't say that. You are using this to dodge what I put to you. The fact is that housing affects 100% of the population, gay rights circa 5%. Sure, you don't have to be gay to want equality for gays. However, if you are straight, gay rights are meaningless to your life. It's just like you can want ramps installed for disabled person access in public buildings, because that's the right thing to do, but if you don't have mobility issues it doesn't matter whether the ramps are there or not. As I've said previously more unequal societies are less productive and less nice places for the majority to live in. So equal rights and opportunities are massively important! That's like saying quality of state education is irrelevant to kids who go to private school.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Apr 17 2.57pm |
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Polling day in term time shutting thousands of schools. Children's education will be ruined and what about parents with jobs?
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| Part Time James 20 Apr 17 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I didn't say that. You are using this to dodge what I put to you. The fact is that housing affects 100% of the population, gay rights circa 5%. Sure, you don't have to be gay to want equality for gays. However, if you are straight, gay rights are meaningless to your life. It's just like you can want ramps installed for disabled person access in public buildings, because that's the right thing to do, but if you don't have mobility issues it doesn't matter whether the ramps are there or not. I sometimes walk up disabled ramps when I don't feel coordinated enough to walk up steps.
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| Part Time James 20 Apr 17 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I sometimes walk up disabled ramps when I don't feel coordinated enough to walk up steps. Wait, that wasn't me making an analogous admission to a penchant for bum love.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Apr 17 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Not a bad speech written for him there...but it's all empty rhetoric...the ideology sounds good...I'd be certainly interested in how long he would envisage it would take to see this happen as well as the cost...because in the past Labour governments have been shown time after time to spend 'now' rather than when the country can afford to do so. To implement the above properly the changes re: tax evasion etc needs to be addressed BEFORE that money should be spent. You should not be drawn into the fallacy that an economy is anything like a household in terms of spending and borrowing. The country can't afford to keep cutting essential services and delaying investment in education, training, infrastructure and social care.
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