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.TUX. 30 May 18 11.10pm | |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
According to the 'Accounts' thread, he's currently partying in New York. Fairplay to him.
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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 31 May 18 2.28am | |
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Originally posted by Eternal Optimist
What's Parish done for us? If you had his money would you risk it on spending multi millions of it on a football club that has always struggled to maintain Premier League status. We should thank him that we still have a football team to support!!
Now some will say that was smart business maybe but it was a dirty way to do it and some one who is suppose to be a fan playing with the life of the club like that is not on. The guy also strikes me has loving being center of attention getting all the praise when things are good but when other way around making excuses trying to play the he is doing us a favor by even interacting.
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robdave2k 31 May 18 8.21am | |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Now some will say that was smart business maybe but it was a dirty way to do it and some one who is suppose to be a fan playing with the life of the club like that is not on. The guy also strikes me has loving being center of attention getting all the praise when things are good but when other way around making excuses trying to play the he is doing us a favor by even interacting.
The Administrators dealt with the sale - their only concern is maximising revenue for the creditors. Well that and their own fees. I think SJ was hard done by, but them's the breaks when you own a football club. When he (SP) took it over were weren't an established Premier League team, but a lower end Championship side. I remember the first year with George Burley and such players such as David Wright, Adam Barratt, Andy Dorman, Kieron Cadogan and Alassane N'Diaye so lets not kid ourselves that we were on some sort of Premier League trajectory. Once you have set out a stance there is only one way to negotiate and that isn't downwards. The Administrators are bound to try and find the best deal. If that was liquidation they would have taken it. You say about being a fan - well SJ was a fan and look how that ended. No ground ownership, taking on high rate interest finance and a loss of all control and money. In fact lets go back to pre SJ, to Mark Goldberg. Someone who didn't have the sense to actually set out to get the best deal. Peter Risdale, Ellis Short, Mike Ashely, Randy Lerner, Sisu Group, Phil Gartside, Venky's, Massimo Cellino, Vincent Tan, Tony Fernandes, Karl Oyston - would you rather have one of those running the club? But still uneducated wallies such as yourself clearly know better and all you do is complain. You want more attractive football but with none of the risk. Could SP have done better - quite probably yes. But your entire complaint seems to be around him being unprofessional in the way he acts, but then annoyed when he is professional and takes the professional stance. He interacts with people he is a narcissist and doing them a favour, he doesn't and he goes missing. There isn't a manual to work from. No "Championship Manager" pre-determined results. What works on paper might not work in the real world. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. They say the quickest way to become a millionaire is to start as a billionaire and buy a football club.
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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 31 May 18 10.08am | |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
Now some will say that was smart business maybe but it was a dirty way to do it and some one who is suppose to be a fan playing with the life of the club like that is not on. The guy also strikes me has loving being center of attention getting all the praise when things are good but when other way around making excuses trying to play the he is doing us a favor by even interacting. Deary me. What a donut.
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ARGILE OLD GEEZER PORTIMAO 31 May 18 10.17am | |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
The Administrators dealt with the sale - their only concern is maximising revenue for the creditors. Well that and their own fees. I think SJ was hard done by, but them's the breaks when you own a football club. When he (SP) took it over were weren't an established Premier League team, but a lower end Championship side. I remember the first year with George Burley and such players such as David Wright, Adam Barratt, Andy Dorman, Kieron Cadogan and Alassane N'Diaye so lets not kid ourselves that we were on some sort of Premier League trajectory. Once you have set out a stance there is only one way to negotiate and that isn't downwards. The Administrators are bound to try and find the best deal. If that was liquidation they would have taken it. You say about being a fan - well SJ was a fan and look how that ended. No ground ownership, taking on high rate interest finance and a loss of all control and money. In fact lets go back to pre SJ, to Mark Goldberg. Someone who didn't have the sense to actually set out to get the best deal. Peter Risdale, Ellis Short, Mike Ashely, Randy Lerner, Sisu Group, Phil Gartside, Venky's, Massimo Cellino, Vincent Tan, Tony Fernandes, Karl Oyston - would you rather have one of those running the club? But still uneducated wallies such as yourself clearly know better and all you do is complain. You want more attractive football but with none of the risk. Could SP have done better - quite probably yes. But your entire complaint seems to be around him being unprofessional in the way he acts, but then annoyed when he is professional and takes the professional stance. He interacts with people he is a narcissist and doing them a favour, he doesn't and he goes missing. There isn't a manual to work from. No "Championship Manager" pre-determined results. What works on paper might not work in the real world. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. They say the quickest way to become a millionaire is to start as a billionaire and buy a football club. Well said, 100%spot on.
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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 31 May 18 10.58am | |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
The Administrators dealt with the sale - their only concern is maximising revenue for the creditors. Well that and their own fees. I think SJ was hard done by, but them's the breaks when you own a football club. When he (SP) took it over were weren't an established Premier League team, but a lower end Championship side. I remember the first year with George Burley and such players such as David Wright, Adam Barratt, Andy Dorman, Kieron Cadogan and Alassane N'Diaye so lets not kid ourselves that we were on some sort of Premier League trajectory. Once you have set out a stance there is only one way to negotiate and that isn't downwards. The Administrators are bound to try and find the best deal. If that was liquidation they would have taken it. You say about being a fan - well SJ was a fan and look how that ended. No ground ownership, taking on high rate interest finance and a loss of all control and money. In fact lets go back to pre SJ, to Mark Goldberg. Someone who didn't have the sense to actually set out to get the best deal. Peter Risdale, Ellis Short, Mike Ashely, Randy Lerner, Sisu Group, Phil Gartside, Venky's, Massimo Cellino, Vincent Tan, Tony Fernandes, Karl Oyston - would you rather have one of those running the club? But still uneducated wallies such as yourself clearly know better and all you do is complain. You want more attractive football but with none of the risk. Could SP have done better - quite probably yes. But your entire complaint seems to be around him being unprofessional in the way he acts, but then annoyed when he is professional and takes the professional stance. He interacts with people he is a narcissist and doing them a favour, he doesn't and he goes missing. There isn't a manual to work from. No "Championship Manager" pre-determined results. What works on paper might not work in the real world. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. They say the quickest way to become a millionaire is to start as a billionaire and buy a football club.
SP was using dirty tactics holding SJ hostage not caring one bit about the club and that snake Alexander destroying everything from the inside to force now known himself and SP takeover of the club. Administrators was a joke and didn't have a clue and was a puppet that SP was playing with for his own agenda. Even LLoyd bank was in shock why the club was going through that it should of never happened. We had already been in the Prem and got relegated or have you forgotten that. Regarding the ground Noades wouldn't sell to him and when he finally said he would he wanted more then double it's value which is why a 3rd party was used and a deal was in place so SJ would of owned it in next few years had the club not gone into administration. SJ gave up that control he could of held on to it and played the waiting game at end of the day had he held on he would of got a pay packet out of it but the club would of been dead. you really dont have a clue what went down, did you even follow it when it happened it doesn't appear so. I never mentioned anything about football side so not sure how you came up with that you must be in fantasy world or cant read posts [offensive comment removed] by the way championship manager doesn't have pre determined results Edited by Guntrisoft (31 May 2018 11.08am)
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robdave2k 31 May 18 11.13am | |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
SP was using dirty tactics holding SJ hostage not caring one bit about the club and that snake Alexander destroying everything from the inside to force now known himself and SP takeover of the club. Administrators was a joke and didn't have a clue and was a puppet that SP was playing with for his own agenda. Even LLoyd bank was in shock why the club was going through that it should of never happened. We had already been in the Prem and got relegated or have you forgotten that. Regarding the ground Noades wouldn't sell to him and when he finally said he would he wanted more then double it's value which is why a 3rd party was used and a deal was in place so SJ would of owned it in next few years had the club not gone into administration. SJ gave up that control he could of held on to it and played the waiting game at end of the day had he held on he would of got a pay packet out of it but the club would of been dead. you really dont have a clue what went down, did you even follow it when it happened it doesn't appear so. I never mentioned anything about football side so not sure how you came up with that you must be in fantasy world or cant read posts suppose it hard if you are busy sucking off sp or too deep up his ass. by the way championship manager doesn't have pre determined results Allow me to dis construct your post. I'll try to refrain from questioning your sexuality whilst I do so for obvious reasons. complete rubbish and you have not heard about what went on then. SP was using dirty tactics holding SJ hostage not caring one bit about the club and that snake Alexander destroying everything from the inside to force now known himself and SP takeover of the club. SP can't hold anyone to ransom. If you get preferred bidder status then that is fine, but the liquidator is duty bound to find the best deal for the creditors of the business. The liquidators run the club, they are responsible and no one else. They didn't have to sell to SP and colleagues. Administrators was a joke and didn't have a clue and was a puppet that SP was playing with for his own agenda. Met him have you? I have and I've had professional dealings with him. Wouldn't say he is my favourite person in the world, but likewise you are aware it is the CREDITORS who control what happens in a liquidation. They have to vote on proposals. That includes all the listed debts. Even LLoyd bank was in shock why the club was going through that it should of never happened. You have proof of this presumably. And again the third party didn't have to sell to SP if it wasn't the right offer. We had already been in the Prem and got relegated or have you forgotten that. So were Portsmouth, Coventry, QPR, Bolton, Blackburn. Your point being? Regarding the ground Noades wouldn't sell to him and when he finally said he would he wanted more then double it's value which is why a 3rd party was used and a deal was in place so SJ would of owned it in next few years had the club not gone into administration. And if my aunty had bollocks she would be my uncle. The fact is a third party owned it - doesn't matter how you slice that. Also I suggest you look up the history of Agilo. If you are borrowing from that sort of place you are not in good shape. Were they premature forcing the liquidation - absolutely. But they did and it happened. SJ gave up that control he could of held on to it and played the waiting game at end of the day had he held on he would of got a pay packet out of it but the club would of been dead. you really dont have a clue what went down, did you even follow it when it happened it doesn't appear so. Yes, yes I do. You see working as an accountant that deals with Insolvency yes I do. SJ was a creditor - he could have held it up but its unlikely he would have seen any more funds. You seem to be blaming SP for being a better businesses man than SJ. I never mentioned anything about football side so not sure how you came up with that you must be in fantasy world or cant read posts suppose it hard if you are busy sucking off sp or too deep up his ass. You also never mentioned anything factual other than offering your disjointed and incoherent opinion. You then manage to finish by suggesting that I may like to engage with SP on a deeper level. Now aside from the fact of what they say about people who use homophobia to cover their own proclivities, I very much doubt SP would be in any way shape or form interested in my engaging in such a personal form of admiration. Also, whilst he does have truly wonderful hair, he isn't my type. What it does show though is that you are clearly not intelligent enough to put up logical reasoning and want to effectively move onto teenage insults. Might I suggest you head off for a "Cheeky Nandos" brev and a few pints down the spoons. Your blood pressure clearly needs it. I had you pegged as a troll before but I apologise. I don't think you have the required skills or depth of character to be able to pull it off* *no doubt you will insert a reference to pulling off here. Edited by robdave2k (31 May 2018 11.16am)
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laddo london 31 May 18 11.29am | |
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Oh my, robdave2k has just won the internet. A very rational, well written response to what was a load of drivel. My own opinion: Parish has made some mistakes but under him and the board I've experienced the best time as a palace fan since Ian Wright and co. I am hugely grateful to all concerned.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 May 18 12.46pm | |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
You also never mentioned anything factual other than offering your disjointed and incoherent opinion. You then manage to finish by suggesting that I may like to engage with SP on a deeper level. Now aside from the fact of what they say about people who use homophobia to cover their own proclivities, I very much doubt SP would be in any way shape or form interested in my engaging in such a personal form of admiration. Also, whilst he does have truly wonderful hair, he isn't my type. What it does show though is that you are clearly not intelligent enough to put up logical reasoning and want to effectively move onto teenage insults. Might I suggest you head off for a "Cheeky Nandos" brev and a few pints down the spoons. Your blood pressure clearly needs it. I had you pegged as a troll before but I apologise. I don't think you have the required skills or depth of character to be able to pull it off* *no doubt you will insert a reference to pulling off here. Edited by robdave2k (31 May 2018 11.16am) It’s bruv, bruv. (Never used verbally or you sound like a moron) Edited by Rudi Hedman (31 May 2018 12.47pm)
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robdave2k 31 May 18 1.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It’s bruv, bruv. (Never used verbally or you sound like a moron) Edited by Rudi Hedman (31 May 2018 12.47pm) I stand corrected sir!
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 31 May 18 1.24pm | |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
I stand corrected sir! Although I suppose it could be brev for brethren.
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kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 31 May 18 1.35pm | |
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Since I received an alert about this thread I sat down and read it. Seems what we have here is one poster who absolutely knows how things happen, namely robdave2k. Rarely have I read such a comprehensive set of posts based on verifiable facts. As for the Jordans, my experience with them, especially Dominic, was not good. As he seemingly ran the day-to-day operations, he was the one I communicated with (barely, as I never received any answers to letters sent, unlike Messers Noades, Coppell, Parish & Pardew, et.al.). My late friend, Ron Greatorex, who had been Assistant Chief and then Chief Steward for many years, was eventually fired by Dominic for such things as insisting the stewards be paid on time. Dominic was notorious for paying bills at the very last minute. The Agilo loan is well documented. My view of companies like Agilois that they are legalised loan sharks who provide pay day loans to companies. The minute the Jordans took money from such a firm was the minute Palace was headed to the Administrators. I share the opinions posted by robdave2 concerning Steve Parish. I never dreamed Palace could be a Premier Division club when he took over, especially so soon. In fact, I was against promotion because of the financial pressures it would put on the club at that time. SP has managed, sometimes through a rather mazy path, of seeing Palace remain in the top flight. It hasn't been pretty at times and mistakes have been made. I was surprised he was at the Philly pre-season match in 2016 and came over to talk to us supporters at half time and met my daughter Erin, shook her hand and welcomed her to the club. How many other top executives in sports do that? The only other team owner I've met in my life was George Steinbrenner of the NY Yankees and that was accidental. I find it amazing that seven years after nearly being liquidated, Crystal Palace FC finished 11th in English football out of 92, especially since it has been competing against some of the richest clubs in the world who can buy and sell players for far more than Palace can.
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