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 big_palace_fan  06 May 16 2.48pm |
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| johnfirewall 06 May 16 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Looked at OU Economics but it was 6 years (part time) and £16,000 What can one do in a year?
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| big_palace_fan 06 May 16 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
Looked at OU Economics but it was 6 years (part time) and £16,000 What can one do in a year? Could you expand please
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| big_palace_fan 12 May 16 9.09am |
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Simon Wren Lewis is a fellow at Merton College, Oxford and an Economics professor in the department there. If anyone needed further reassurance that we would be worse off economically outside of the EU here it is:
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 12 May 16 9.42am |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Simon Wren Lewis is a fellow at Merton College, Oxford and an Economics professor in the department there. If anyone needed further reassurance that we would be worse off economically outside of the EU here it is: This is complete conjecture, nobody knows what would happen re the economy. There are many who believe that within a few years our economy will surpass its current level. Particularly when you consider the colossal savings we would make (did you know Spain are paid 110 million Euros pa to support its bullfighting industry?) Economy aside, what are your thoughts as to the eradication of our culture and loss of sovereignty? What about the 50 year old housewife who can’t get a job at Costa Coffee because they only want to employ 20 year old Polish girls, or the builder who can’t support his family due to foreign workers under cutting him as they live 10 to a house. As a young man and a student I’m sure you are very smart etc., however (and I say this respectfully) you have little real life experience or do you have any first-hand knowledge of what the country used to be like before Europe. The state of the country’s economy is paramount, however, there are many, many other factors of at least equal importance to consider. Tom PS: your earlier post is not correct An extra years education is one of the best investments anyone can make with respect to increase in wages. The best thing you can do to increase your earnings is to work for yourself.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 May 16 10.13am |
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I think it depends on what you mean by 'good for the economy'. You can be a nation of dirt poor farmers and workers, who live on subsistence wages, ruled by a rich minority, and that can be very good for the economy. What is 'good for the economy' isn't the same as good for society. Slavery was amazing for the US economy in the until the rise of industrialism, at which point it was looking increasingly like being a liability going forwards (slaves are surprisingly expensive and its problematic when you need an educated but disposable workforce).
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| Hoof Hearted 12 May 16 10.38am | |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Simon Wren Lewis is a fellow at Merton College, Oxford and an Economics professor in the department there. If anyone needed further reassurance that we would be worse off economically outside of the EU here it is: It would be interesting to know what Simon Wren Lewis' economic predictions were before the decision not to adopt the Euro and remain with the Pound in 1999. A lot of eminent economists were predicting the same economic "Armageddon" as they are now about leaving the EU and yet here we are 16 years later with the best economy of all the EU countries. Just like you would check a horse's form in the Derby, I'd like to know this bloke's form. He might be a 100/1 duffer with no decent form for all we know. Little boys crying wolf perhaps? Why should we take them seriously now when they were so wrong in 1999?
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-TUX-  Alphabettispaghetti 12 May 16 11.15am |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
This is complete conjecture, nobody knows what would happen re the economy. There are many who believe that within a few years our economy will surpass its current level. Particularly when you consider the colossal savings we would make (did you know Spain are paid 110 million Euros pa to support its bullfighting industry?) Economy aside, what are your thoughts as to the eradication of our culture and loss of sovereignty? What about the 50 year old housewife who can’t get a job at Costa Coffee because they only want to employ 20 year old Polish girls, or the builder who can’t support his family due to foreign workers under cutting him as they live 10 to a house. As a young man and a student I’m sure you are very smart etc., however (and I say this respectfully) you have little real life experience or do you have any first-hand knowledge of what the country used to be like before Europe. The state of the country’s economy is paramount, however, there are many, many other factors of at least equal importance to consider. Tom PS: your earlier post is not correct An extra years education is one of the best investments anyone can make with respect to increase in wages. The best thing you can do to increase your earnings is to work for yourself. The clue is in the OP's ''one of''.
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| johnfirewall 12 May 16 11.18am |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
Could you expand please What are the quicker, cheaper alternatives to recieve some sort of worthwhile qualifiaction in that field?
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| big_palace_fan 12 May 16 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
This is complete conjecture, nobody knows what would happen re the economy. There are many who believe that within a few years our economy will surpass its current level. Particularly when you consider the colossal savings we would make (did you know Spain are paid 110 million Euros pa to support its bullfighting industry?) Economy aside, what are your thoughts as to the eradication of our culture and loss of sovereignty? What about the 50 year old housewife who can’t get a job at Costa Coffee because they only want to employ 20 year old Polish girls, or the builder who can’t support his family due to foreign workers under cutting him as they live 10 to a house. As a young man and a student I’m sure you are very smart etc., however (and I say this respectfully) you have little real life experience or do you have any first-hand knowledge of what the country used to be like before Europe. The state of the country’s economy is paramount, however, there are many, many other factors of at least equal importance to consider. Tom PS: your earlier post is not correct An extra years education is one of the best investments anyone can make with respect to increase in wages. The best thing you can do to increase your earnings is to work for yourself. I understand your points, you are mistaken on education, estimates to return on education are anything from about 5-20% depending on what you do, your demographic etc etc. How many financial returns can provide this? Working for yourself and obtaining extra education are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, I see your points about fustrations with immigrants etc etc. but I really think you should think harder about who really is causing the problems whatever they are in your life. Is a yougn eastern european woman working in costa really the cause of your life's problems, or is it tax avoiding corporations stopping the government having ample money for education, and a self perpetuating elite ruling society. The housewives fundamental problem is that she did not pick up enough education - the governments fault, not the migrant. Just because she is the most obvious problem, it doesn't mean she is the real problem. Migrants may take jobs, but they also create jobs - 1/7 new business is set up by an EU immigrant. They are net fiscal contributors, and as for comments about overcrowding/using public resources etc - this is the governments job to adequately provide. Do not take the lie that there are not the resources to do so. Furthermore, there are no collosal savings from leaving the EU. As i've said before, sovereign debt riskiness would rise from uncertainty upon leaving and cancel any benefits. UK science industry would be ruined - incredibly reliant on EU funds. Having lived in London almost my whole life (barring my time away during my undergrad degree) I see "British culture" as one that is highly multicultural - those most worried about immigration are the those who live in areas with fewest immigrants! British culture is to lead and be influential. Not to sit on the sidelines and watch the world's great power becoming increasingly disinterested in us. We are leaders.
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| Hoof Hearted 12 May 16 5.37pm | |
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Originally posted by big_palace_fan
I understand your points, you are mistaken on education, estimates to return on education are anything from about 5-20% depending on what you do, your demographic etc etc. How many financial returns can provide this? Working for yourself and obtaining extra education are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, I see your points about fustrations with immigrants etc etc. but I really think you should think harder about who really is causing the problems whatever they are in your life. Is a yougn eastern european woman working in costa really the cause of your life's problems, or is it tax avoiding corporations stopping the government having ample money for education, and a self perpetuating elite ruling society. The housewives fundamental problem is that she did not pick up enough education - the governments fault, not the migrant. Just because she is the most obvious problem, it doesn't mean she is the real problem. Migrants may take jobs, but they also create jobs - 1/7 new business is set up by an EU immigrant. They are net fiscal contributors, and as for comments about overcrowding/using public resources etc - this is the governments job to adequately provide. Do not take the lie that there are not the resources to do so. Furthermore, there are no collosal savings from leaving the EU. As i've said before, sovereign debt riskiness would rise from uncertainty upon leaving and cancel any benefits. UK science industry would be ruined - incredibly reliant on EU funds. Having lived in London almost my whole life (barring my time away during my undergrad degree) I see "British culture" as one that is highly multicultural - those most worried about immigration are the those who live in areas with fewest immigrants! British culture is to lead and be influential. Not to sit on the sidelines and watch the world's great power becoming increasingly disinterested in us. We are leaders. You sound "brainwashed". Answer my question about Simon Wren Lewis' "form" if you will. Thanks.
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| big_palace_fan 12 May 16 11.57pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
You sound "brainwashed". Answer my question about Simon Wren Lewis' "form" if you will. Thanks. If you call rationally looking at the facts brainwashed then sure. In my eyes its a simple equation Pro of being in minus some workers wages possibly suppressed, general point about people not liking migrants in their communities (one I disagree with - they are pointing fingers at the wrong people), perhaps some notion that sovereignty isn't entirely ours but shared in an international community. Pros of being out Cons of being out
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