You're obviously not aware of the acronym KISS..... Keep It Simple Stupid.

Most people switch off when an orator drones on blandly trying to make a point that has little effect on the arguments.

Serial can write as much as he wants - I'm not here to limit his scope.

However - if he wants people to take on board his thoughts and opinions he needs to sex up his delivery!

And yet Islam gave us our modern numerical system and Darwin was a Christian. Yes, I agree with you that organised religion is a pain in the arse, but religion, as with any belief, has both good and bad sides, and to claim that everyone who holds a certain spiritual belief is bad because of that belief, as has been articulated on this thread, is nonsensical and is disrespecting billions of incredible people who are religious.

You seem all for restrictions on others as long as they aren't on you. There are tens of millions of girls 'missing' from the population of China as a result of female infanticide and abandonment, so it's not all roses. There are two sides.

Same with you bemoaning attitudes towards internment. You should present your view to your muslim workmates in person, then you'd see what extreme beliefs like this do to relationships with innocent people. While we don't need airyfairy 'we all get along really don't we' talk, we do not need contributions bemoaning not being able to remove the liberties of millions of british muslims.

It's not on account that we are 'emotive liberalised society' that we don't want to lock up innocent people, it's because most people of all colours and creeds are decent, fair human beings.

Edited by bilbo (15 Nov 2015 5.57pm)

I'd quite happily suggest internment for extremists in society to my work colleagues. I don't think I supported 'all Muslim' internment. We couldn't do it even if we wanted to...We can barely find enough prison places as it is. Well done on a straw man there.

I do bemoan an emotive liberalized society that is prepared to see other people blown or shot to bits for their principles. I'm only interested in the policies that lead to less death. I think you calling my thoughts extreme is ridiculous.

If you call my beliefs 'extreme' what words do you have for these IS inspired murderers? I guess on planet Bilbo I'm bracketed in the same category unless you have another word for them.

During WW2 of course we had internment, which of course was done under the knowledge that the vast majority were harmless. Since then that idea has been attacked by liberalism. But of course it's liberalism that has taught us that we should enjoy multiculturalism, embrace gloabalisation like it's a good thing and accept high immigration rates. In short I view all of that an failure born of idealism over pragmatism.

I work with Muslims and I'm well aware that most don't support violence. However, I'm quite sure that most would wish Britain to be in their image....Why wouldn't they and I feel that secularism needs to be far more proactive in protecting and standing up for what was won over centuries breaking away from Christainity's grip.

Internment isn't going to work in today's emotive liberalised society. Like Hitchens said.....We are basically fecked. It's the fall of Rome all over again.....Like Rome its decline was slow but painfully obvious.

You're on the general section of a football forum. Perhaps your expectations are more to blame than anything else.

And if I might say, in my view, there are often good contributions from both sides of the debate on general talk. You just have to occasionally pick through those having a paddy to find them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2015 6.44pm)