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Mapletree Croydon 21 Mar 20 9.17am
Originally posted by Badger11 The French seize coronavirus cargo bound for the UK [Link] So much for our European neighbours. I didn’t know anyone actually believed what is written in The Sun and then repeated in the Mail. Anyway, it was of course completely false. We got them without any delay Edited by Mapletree (21 Mar 2020 9.17am)
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Croydon 21 Mar 20 9.17am

Originally posted by Badger11

The French seize coronavirus cargo bound for the UK

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So much for our European neighbours.

I didn’t know anyone actually believed what is written in The Sun and then repeated in the Mail.

Anyway, it was of course completely false. We got them without any delay

Edited by Mapletree (21 Mar 2020 9.17am)

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cpfc_chap koh samui 21 Mar 20 11.33am
Originally posted by Mapletree I didn’t know anyone actually believed what is written in The Sun and then repeated in the Mail. Anyway, it was of course completely false. We got them without any delay Edited by Mapletree (21 Mar 2020 9.17am) [Link] But what about EUs balkan neighbours?
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koh samui 21 Mar 20 11.33am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I didn’t know anyone actually believed what is written in The Sun and then repeated in the Mail.

Anyway, it was of course completely false. We got them without any delay

Edited by Mapletree (21 Mar 2020 9.17am)

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But what about EUs balkan neighbours?

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DANGERCLOSE London 05 Apr 20 1.56am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not in any way. It's the OED. [Link] What a load of w*** the EU are.
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London 05 Apr 20 1.56am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not in any way.

It's the OED.

[Link]

What a load of w*** the EU are.

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Apr 20 6.45am
Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE [Link] What a load of w*** the EU are. Wow how did that article slip pass the BBC censors. One more point
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Beckenham 05 Apr 20 6.45am

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

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What a load of w*** the EU are.

Wow how did that article slip pass the BBC censors.

One more point

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Matov 05 Apr 20 10.31am
I think the irony for the EU is that post this Corona virus there could be a real public appetite for a buy European campaign. Must admit I am planning on returning to Nokia for my mobile phone needs and will be doing my best not to buy any more Chinese goods. That a European movement, with a genuine vision and leadership, could gain some traction. Not the EU, that is a dead duck but the notion of a Pan-European movement that sort to reject Globalisation and essentially looked to create a Europe that simply did not need the rest of the world, and especially China, might have some traction. We cannot return to the status quo, that much is obvious. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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I think the irony for the EU is that post this Corona virus there could be a real public appetite for a buy European campaign. Must admit I am planning on returning to Nokia for my mobile phone needs and will be doing my best not to buy any more Chinese goods.

That a European movement, with a genuine vision and leadership, could gain some traction. Not the EU, that is a dead duck but the notion of a Pan-European movement that sort to reject Globalisation and essentially looked to create a Europe that simply did not need the rest of the world, and especially China, might have some traction. We cannot return to the status quo, that much is obvious.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Apr 20 10.44am
Originally posted by Matov I think the irony for the EU is that post this Corona virus there could be a real public appetite for a buy European campaign. Must admit I am planning on returning to Nokia for my mobile phone needs and will be doing my best not to buy any more Chinese goods. That a European movement, with a genuine vision and leadership, could gain some traction. Not the EU, that is a dead duck but the notion of a Pan-European movement that sort to reject Globalisation and essentially looked to create a Europe that simply did not need the rest of the world, and especially China, might have some traction. We cannot return to the status quo, that much is obvious. My concern for many years now has been this country's dependency on energy from dodgy parts of the globe and what would happen if we had another 1970s oils crisis. I realise now that my concern is well founded but it goes much deeper than energy. As you say we need to focus this country on sourcing our goods and supplies internally first and if not from the UK then from stable democratic countries. Cheap has consequences. Chinese factories are now back to work and they will be mass producing the goods and the medical supplies we so desperately require because they caused the problem. A bit like a double glazing salesman going round smashing peoples windows. One more point
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Beckenham 05 Apr 20 10.44am

Originally posted by Matov

My concern for many years now has been this country's dependency on energy from dodgy parts of the globe and what would happen if we had another 1970s oils crisis. I realise now that my concern is well founded but it goes much deeper than energy.

As you say we need to focus this country on sourcing our goods and supplies internally first and if not from the UK then from stable democratic countries. Cheap has consequences.

Chinese factories are now back to work and they will be mass producing the goods and the medical supplies we so desperately require because they caused the problem.

A bit like a double glazing salesman going round smashing peoples windows.

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 20 11.05am
Originally posted by Badger11 My concern for many years now has been this country's dependency on energy from dodgy parts of the globe and what would happen if we had another 1970s oils crisis. I realise now that my concern is well founded but it goes much deeper than energy. As you say we need to focus this country on sourcing our goods and supplies internally first and if not from the UK then from stable democratic countries. Cheap has consequences. Chinese factories are now back to work and they will be mass producing the goods and the medical supplies we so desperately require because they caused the problem. A bit like a double glazing salesman going round smashing peoples windows. Hopefully it will refocus minds everywhere in Europe.I trust it will stop any suggestions in the UK that the EU is anything other than a group of nations acting collaboratively when it is in their common interest to do so, whilst stopping those in the EU who would like to change that. That's though a long way down the road. Dealing with the crisis comes first. Agreeing the needed extension next. EU reform after that, and then us rejoining that reformed EU. You know it makes sense!!! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 20 11.05am

Originally posted by Badger11

As you say we need to focus this country on sourcing our goods and supplies internally first and if not from the UK then from stable democratic countries. Cheap has consequences.

Chinese factories are now back to work and they will be mass producing the goods and the medical supplies we so desperately require because they caused the problem.

A bit like a double glazing salesman going round smashing peoples windows.

Hopefully it will refocus minds everywhere in Europe.I trust it will stop any suggestions in the UK that the EU is anything other than a group of nations acting collaboratively when it is in their common interest to do so, whilst stopping those in the EU who would like to change that.

That's though a long way down the road. Dealing with the crisis comes first. Agreeing the needed extension next. EU reform after that, and then us rejoining that reformed EU.

You know it makes sense!!!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Apr 20 11.10am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Hopefully it will refocus minds everywhere in Europe.I trust it will stop any suggestions in the UK that the EU is anything other than a group of nations acting collaboratively when it is in their common interest to do so, whilst stopping those in the EU who would like to change that. That's though a long way down the road. Dealing with the crisis comes first. Agreeing the needed extension next. EU reform after that, and then us rejoining that reformed EU. You know it makes sense!!! You don't need the EU with all its structures for what I and others are suggesting, just a free trade bloc, nice try though. One more point
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Beckenham 05 Apr 20 11.10am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's though a long way down the road. Dealing with the crisis comes first. Agreeing the needed extension next. EU reform after that, and then us rejoining that reformed EU.

You know it makes sense!!!

You don't need the EU with all its structures for what I and others are suggesting, just a free trade bloc, nice try though.

One more point

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Matov 05 Apr 20 11.16am
Originally posted by Badger11 My concern for many years now has been this country's dependency on energy from dodgy parts of the globe and what would happen if we had another 1970s oils crisis. I realise now that my concern is well founded but it goes much deeper than energy. As you say we need to focus this country on sourcing our goods and supplies internally first and if not from the UK then from stable democratic countries. Cheap has consequences. Chinese factories are now back to work and they will be mass producing the goods and the medical supplies we so desperately require because they caused the problem. A bit like a double glazing salesman going round smashing peoples windows. All of this. We can never be so reliant on a foul Communist regime ever again. And energy independence has to be the primary concern with the reality that a Europe that embraces Russia has all of that solved. More fracking, more money spent on viable alternatives and with Russia in the fold, vast amounts of mineral resources. Europe can feed, clothe and power itself if there is a collective will. Guilty as charged by the way of being hooked on the cheap consumer goods from China. From my mobile to lap tops to clothing and so on. That has to stop. Individuals can make a real difference here if we vow to reject Chinese goods. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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05 Apr 20 11.16am

Originally posted by Badger11

As you say we need to focus this country on sourcing our goods and supplies internally first and if not from the UK then from stable democratic countries. Cheap has consequences.

Chinese factories are now back to work and they will be mass producing the goods and the medical supplies we so desperately require because they caused the problem.

A bit like a double glazing salesman going round smashing peoples windows.

All of this. We can never be so reliant on a foul Communist regime ever again.

And energy independence has to be the primary concern with the reality that a Europe that embraces Russia has all of that solved. More fracking, more money spent on viable alternatives and with Russia in the fold, vast amounts of mineral resources. Europe can feed, clothe and power itself if there is a collective will.

Guilty as charged by the way of being hooked on the cheap consumer goods from China. From my mobile to lap tops to clothing and so on. That has to stop. Individuals can make a real difference here if we vow to reject Chinese goods.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Matov 05 Apr 20 11.22am
Originally posted by Badger11 You don't need the EU with all its structures for what I and others are suggesting, just a free trade bloc, nice try though. Yes but lets not discount a wider sense of Europeanism either. Just because the EU is rotten to the core does not mean that some of its founding principles should be discarded either. A Europe pulling in the same direction, in fact a wider Western Civilisation, has everything it requires to flourish. Trade is the key, undoubtedly but strengthening common bonds of identity should not be treated lightly. When you look at many of the social ills in this country then primarily they are caused by clashes of cultural values that come from far outside of the borders of Europe. Outside of the Roma population then I cannot think of any other group of Europeans in the UK who do not contribute far more than they take. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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05 Apr 20 11.22am

Originally posted by Badger11

You don't need the EU with all its structures for what I and others are suggesting, just a free trade bloc, nice try though.

Yes but lets not discount a wider sense of Europeanism either. Just because the EU is rotten to the core does not mean that some of its founding principles should be discarded either.

A Europe pulling in the same direction, in fact a wider Western Civilisation, has everything it requires to flourish.

Trade is the key, undoubtedly but strengthening common bonds of identity should not be treated lightly. When you look at many of the social ills in this country then primarily they are caused by clashes of cultural values that come from far outside of the borders of Europe. Outside of the Roma population then I cannot think of any other group of Europeans in the UK who do not contribute far more than they take.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 05 Apr 20 11.24am
Originally posted by cpfc_chap [Link] But what about EUs balkan neighbours? Every country suddenly needs certain items that are in short supply ... Trump has banned US exports of respirators to Canada ... at the end of the day, it will be conscience or price that determines where they go. Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap

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But what about EUs balkan neighbours?

Every country suddenly needs certain items that are in short supply ... Trump has banned US exports of respirators to Canada ... at the end of the day, it will be conscience or price that determines where they go.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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DANGERCLOSE London 05 Apr 20 12.55pm
Originally posted by Badger11 You don't need the EU with all its structures for what I and others are suggesting, just a free trade bloc, nice try though. Agreed
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DANGERCLOSE

London 05 Apr 20 12.55pm

Originally posted by Badger11

You don't need the EU with all its structures for what I and others are suggesting, just a free trade bloc, nice try though.

Agreed

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